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Scumfucker wrote:I'm guessing when it comes out on blu-ray DVD, first there will be a crappy version with film only and no extras. Then several months later, a deluxe version with extras, interviews, etc. Then several months later one with the deleted sex scene.
they gonna release it in 3d...

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I don't know of any reason a PS3 + firmware update + HDTV + shutter glasses can't convey 3D in ~30 Hz or so.
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Necrometer wrote:I don't know of any reason a PS3 + firmware update + HDTV + shutter glasses can't convey 3D in ~30 Hz or so.
i think the tv is the only bottleneck in this equation but i no good @ science
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if you have a 120 Hz tv I want to believe it can show leftframe/rightframe at 30 Hz... at least in non-HD... I don't really understand how it's drawn so there must be something I am missing

I'm almost 100% sure PS3 will work as a player, and yeah the TV does seem to be the bottleneck
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jesus christ... 52 pages!?!?!?

I hope they turn into eco-terrorists... that would be pretty sweet!
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Bear with me on this analysis of James Cameron's movie AVATAR.

My wife Susan, my brother-in-law Jim and I went to see AVATAR. Susan's and Jim's analysis of the movie was bring a pillow because it is boring, predictable and very long. I looked at the movie in a different way. I saw it as pure eco-propaganda released to coincide with the end of the U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen. Just like Copenhagen this movie is a flop in terms of content and outcomes. However, AVATAR and Copenhagen are both successes because they are part of the never ending propaganda movement to "save the planet" from you and me, the evil human beings. Just as AVATAR is science fiction, human caused global warming science is a fraud. But both live on in spite of bad reviews, scientific facts, and negative public opinion.

AVATAR is pure eco-propaganda designed to subtly and not so subtly force the environmentalist agenda on us all. The story line in AVATAR is simple: Humans invade the pristine planet Pandora with the intent to take all its natural resources for profit.

Did you get the Pandora analogy? You know, by extracting natural resources we are opening Pandora's box and thereby releasing all the evils of mankind. When Pandora closed the box she left only hope inside.

Several times in the movie the comment is made that planet earth is a wasteland and that is why humans are seeking minerals on other planets like Pandora. Of course Pandora is inhabited by primitive tribes of the Na'vi race (akin to the "Elves" of the Earth Liberation Front) who are in touch with nature and their "mother" planet. The Na'vi physically link, much like a computer, with various animals, plants, and of course trees, all kinds of trees. Trees and animals are the spiritual symbols of environmentalists, particularly those groups involved in eco-terrorism such as the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), Greenpeace and Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The enemy of these groups is primarily the human race and companies formed by us humans to access natural resources (e.g. oil, coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc.).

This movie justifies the use of force against companies dedicated to finding, mining and processing natural resources. The mining company, in order to protect itself from the natives, hires former Marines to defend their bases of operation. Sound familiar? This is the war that eco-terrorists and environmentalist groups such as the Sierra Club, Earth Justice and Greenpeace fight every day. This movie celebrates their struggle against those who would explore for, extract, refine and distribute the earth's natural resources.

AVATAR is the celebration of and a recruiting tool for ELF, ALF, Greenpeace and the Sierra Clubs around the world.

The movie portrays the use of diplomacy at first and then violent methods at the end to stop the progress of the human race by denying the miners access to the natural resources on Pandora. It is almost diabolical in its approach to propagandizing a radical form of environmentalism. At the end of the film the humans are driven off Pandora by the Na'vi race who win a long and bloody battle for their "mother" planet.

This is the final goal of eco-terrorists. Deny humans access to the natural resources on earth in order to save the planet. You see environmentalists truly believe that humans are an infestation upon the earth. They believe we must be controlled and prevented from accessing those natural resources in the name of protecting those same natural resources. But for who or what? Some groups like ELF, ALF and Greenpeace use violent means to that end. Others like the Sierra Club and its legal arm Earth Justice use the courts to deny humans their right to use the earth's natural resources for the betterment of mankind.

The Elves (members of the Earth Liberation Front) are much like the Na'vi race, primitive in their weaponry but in touch with nature and fighting against those who would take that which lies above or below our planets surface. AVATAR is the perfect eco-terrorism recruiting tool.

I believe that mankind was given dominion over the earth and its creatures. Mankind is to use all of these resources but use them wisely. That is what I call American Conservationism. American Conservationism aims to preserve natural resources expressly for their continued sustainable use by humans. That, I believe, is the proper world view when it comes to our planet and its natural resources. What do you think?
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fuck the other animals if they dont want to figure out how to travel in space. and fuck the earth for not being capable of becoming a spaceship that we can navigate away from the sun in when it invariably explodes. pass me another cup of oil.
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thürstön.3®®0® wrote:fuck the other animals if they dont want to figure out how to travel in space. and fuck the earth for not being capable of becoming a spaceship that we can navigate away from the sun in when it invariably explodes. pass me another cup of oil.
this thread is not for people too poor to buy an IMAX 3D... please move along
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thürstön.3®®0® wrote: fuck the earth for not being capable of becoming a spaceship that we can navigate away from the sun in when it invariably explodes.
Hey there mister! You owe your false perception of spacetime as linear to the inability of spaceship-earth to travel anywhere but in fixed rotation! Watch it!

We should have plenty of time to escape. If we don't make it by the sun's expiration date, we didn't deserve it.

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http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmno ... -they-are/

This appears to be accurate. Both Ain’t It Cool News and JoBlo.com have posted James Cameron’s full “Avatar” script. To triple-check I went to the 20th Century-Fox site and found that they posted the same script, as well. After being as careful as possible (wouldn’t want to smear Cameron like he did the U.S. Marines. NOTE for Leftist hair-splitters: former Marines), I bring you a scene written by James Cameron that was cut from the final film but serves as a glimpse at the director’s childish prejudices and mindset:

INT. ARMOR BAY – DAY

TROOPERS issue automatic weapons and magazines to a long line of mine workers. The miners lock and load like the redblooded redneck NRA supporters they are.

BLASTING TECHS are setting radio-detonated primer charges into two-ton stacks of EXPLOSIVE COMPOUND. The stacks are band-strapped together on pallets.

TRACKING WITH SELFRIDGE, staring around him in growing dismay as he walks through the full-scale mobilization. He approaches Quaritch, who is barking orders amid a hive of activity around the ampsuits.

SELFRIDGE
This thing is completely out of control!

Quaritch ignores him, turning away to focus on ordnance loading.

SELFRIDGE
Listen to me! I am not authorizing you to turn the mine-workers local into a freakin’ militia!

QUARITCH
I declared threat condition red. That puts all on-world assets under my command.

SELFRIDGE
You think you can pull this palace coup shit on me?! I can have your ass with one call –

Quaritch grabs him and PINS him against the side of an ampsuit.

QUARITCH
You’re a long way from Earth.

Selfridge is paralyzed. Physical force — against him? Quaritch releases him and walks away.

Emphasis was mine…

Hmm… Looks as though those “redneck NRA” supporting miners were just as eager as the U.S. Marines (NOTE for Leftist hair-splitters: former Marines) to commit a genocide against innocents starting with a 9/11-style terrorist atrocity on the Na’Vi Home Tree which Cameron intentionally filmed to look like the attack on the World Trade Center… only this time committed by U.S. Marines (NOTE for leftist hair-splitters former Marines).

More proof that “Avatar” is anti-American? Well, maybe in Cameron’s mind those bloodthirsty mineworkers are “redblooded” Frenchman or supporters of the Scottish NRA.......

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http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmno ... -they-are/

This appears to be accurate. Both Ain’t It Cool News and JoBlo.com have posted James Cameron’s full “Avatar” script. To triple-check I went to the 20th Century-Fox site and found that they posted the same script, as well. After being as careful as possible (wouldn’t want to smear Cameron like he did the U.S. Marines. NOTE for Leftist hair-splitters: former Marines), I bring you a scene written by James Cameron that was cut from the final film but serves as a glimpse at the director’s childish prejudices and mindset:

INT. ARMOR BAY – DAY

TROOPERS issue automatic weapons and magazines to a long line of mine workers. The miners lock and load like the redblooded redneck NRA supporters they are.

BLASTING TECHS are setting radio-detonated primer charges into two-ton stacks of EXPLOSIVE COMPOUND. The stacks are band-strapped together on pallets.

TRACKING WITH SELFRIDGE, staring around him in growing dismay as he walks through the full-scale mobilization. He approaches Quaritch, who is barking orders amid a hive of activity around the ampsuits.

SELFRIDGE
This thing is completely out of control!

Quaritch ignores him, turning away to focus on ordnance loading.

SELFRIDGE
Listen to me! I am not authorizing you to turn the mine-workers local into a freakin’ militia!

QUARITCH
I declared threat condition red. That puts all on-world assets under my command.

SELFRIDGE
You think you can pull this palace coup shit on me?! I can have your ass with one call –

Quaritch grabs him and PINS him against the side of an ampsuit.

QUARITCH
You’re a long way from Earth.

Selfridge is paralyzed. Physical force — against him? Quaritch releases him and walks away.

Emphasis was mine…

Hmm… Looks as though those “redneck NRA” supporting miners were just as eager as the U.S. Marines (NOTE for Leftist hair-splitters: former Marines) to commit a genocide against innocents starting with a 9/11-style terrorist atrocity on the Na’Vi Home Tree which Cameron intentionally filmed to look like the attack on the World Trade Center… only this time committed by U.S. Marines (NOTE for leftist hair-splitters former Marines).

More proof that “Avatar” is anti-American? Well, maybe in Cameron’s mind those bloodthirsty mineworkers are “redblooded” Frenchman or supporters of the Scottish NRA.......

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sorry, but i'm a bit more pragmatic than that when it comes to the survival of the species and all. mainly since we're discussing things here that no-one can actually know, i'd prefer to err on the side of caution.
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this, however, i'm on board with.
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thürstön.3®®0® wrote:more idiot/hillbilly supremacist bullshit
What sort of piece of shit is actually going to be upset that something is unamerican? You're deep in the Battletweeter end of the pool on this one. Fuck the USA, fuck the NRA... should I go on?

Anyway...

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all i'm saying is that it becomes pretty damn obvious at this point that cameron only knows how to think in stereotypes.

which is probably why you like his work so much.
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and to think I even had the courtesy to include your hillbilly bullshit on this page... NEVER AGAIN
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Necrometer wrote:\hillbilly bullshit
case in point. game, set, match.
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johnny junior

let me be blunt

you are categorically the worst type of human to ever exist

and I would know this without you even uttering a single word

not having ever known you, I could merely see you walking down the street dressed in your barrel/suspenders, toting your shotgun, dragging your slaughtered deer, sporting your attention-whoring facial jewelry, and I would know deep in my heart that if we were to ever stumble upon a planet inhabited exclusively by your kind, the only ethical move would be to drop some red matter and slam that shithole into a black hole

the only way you, personally, could be worse is if you had a small cock

maybe your massive cock doesn't even function

it's the only reasonable conclusion I'm left with
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awww, woss is worked up!

let me ask you something: does it bother you that i seem to have an enjoyable IRL, while you let everything piss you off?
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or is this really just you being mad at yourself over your own penis size?

ross wrote:it's the only reasonable conclusion I'm left with
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ross wrote:it's the only reasonable conclusion I'm left with
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Just saw it. Liked it, pretty much. Will post more later, but one thing that bugs me a bit about this (along with District 9), is that these aliens aren't really so alien sometimes, and display way too many human characteristics. I understand they need something to help the audience to connect and sympathize with, but there's a part of me that wants to see an alien world so utterly bizarre that life itself, wouldn't even be recognizable.
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but then how could they turn it into a morality play?
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'Avatar': Why do conservatives hate the most popular movie in years?
January 4, 2010 | 6:42 pm

It's no secret that "Avatar" has been stunningly successful on nearly every front. The James Cameron-directed sci-fi epic is already the fourth-highest-grossing film of all time, having earned more than $1 billion around the globe in less than three weeks of theatrical release. The film also has garnered effusive praise from critics, who've been planting its flag on a variety of critics Top 10 lists (it has earned an impressive 83 score on Rotten Tomatoes). The 3-D trip to Pandora is also viewed as a veritable shoo-in for a best picture Oscar nomination when the academy announces its nominees on Feb. 2.

But amid this avalanche of praise and popularity, guess who hates the movie? America's prickly cadre of political conservatives.

For years, pundits and bloggers on the right have ceaselessly attacked liberal Hollywood for being out of touch with rank and file moviegoers, complaining that executives and filmmakers continue to make films that have precious little resonance with Middle America. They have reacted with scorn to such high-profile liberal political advocacy films as "Syriana," "Milk," "W.," "Religulous," "Lions for Lambs," "Brokeback Mountain," "In the Valley of Elah," "Rendition" and "Good Night, and Good Luck," saying that the movies' poor performance at the box office was a clear sign of how thoroughly uninterested real people were in the pet causes of showbiz progressives.

Of course, "Avatar" totally turns this theory on its head. As a host of critics have noted, the film offers a blatantly pro-environmental message; it portrays U.S. military contractors in a decidedly negative light; and it clearly evokes the can't-we-all-get along vibe of the 1960s counterculture. These are all messages guaranteed to alienate everyday moviegoers, so say the right-wing pundits -- and yet the film has been wholeheartedly embraced by audiences everywhere, from Mississippi to Manhattan.

To say that the film has evoked a storm of ire on the right would be an understatement. Big Hollywood's John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it "a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC cliches that not a single plot turn, large or small, surprises.... Think of 'Avatar' as 'Death Wish' for leftists, a simplistic, revisionist revenge fantasy where if you freakin' hate the bad guys (America) you're able to forgive the by-the-numbers predictability of it all."

John Podhoretz, the Weekly Standard's film critic, called the film "blitheringly stupid; indeed, it's among the dumbest movies I've ever seen." He goes on to say: "You're going to hear a lot over the next couple of weeks about the movie's politics -- about how it's a Green epic about despoiling the environment, and an attack on the war in Iraq.... The conclusion does ask the audience to root for the defeat of American soldiers at the hands of an insurgency. So it is a deep expression of anti-Americanism -- kind of. The thing is, one would be giving Jim Cameron too much credit to take 'Avatar' -- with its ... hatred of the military and American institutions and the notion that to be human is just way uncool -- at all seriously as a political document. It's more interesting as an example of how deeply rooted these standard issue counterculture cliches in Hollywood have become by now."

Ross Douthat, writing in the New York Times, took Cameron to task on another favorite conservative front, as yet another Hollywood filmmaker who refuses to acknowledge the power of religion. Douthat calls "Avatar" the "Gospel according to James. But not the Christian Gospel. Instead, 'Avatar' is Cameron's long apologia for pantheism -- a faith that equates God with Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion with the natural world." Douthat contends that societies close to nature, like the Na'vi in "Avatar," aren't shining Edens at all -- "they're places where existence tends to be nasty, brutish and short."

There are tons of other grumpy conservative broadsides against the film, but I'll spare you the details, except to say that Cameron's grand cinematic fantasy, with its mixture of social comment, mysticism and transcendent, fanboy-style video game animation, seems to have hit a very raw nerve with political conservatives, who view everything -- foreign affairs, global warming, the White House Christmas tree -- through the prism of partisan sloganeering.

But why is it doing so well with everyday moviegoers if it's so full of supposedly buzz-killing liberal messages?

"It has the politics of the left, but it also has extraordinary spectacle," says Govindini Murty, co-founder of the pioneering conservative blog Libertas and executive producer of the new conservative film "Kalifornistan." "Jim Cameron didn't come out nowhere. He came on the heels of all the left-wing filmmakers who went before him, who knew that someone with their point of view would have the resources to finally make a breakthrough political film. But even though 'Avatar' has an incredibly disturbing anti-human, anti-military, anti-Western world view, it has incredible spectacle and technology and great filmmaking to capture people's attention. The politics are going right over people's heads. Its audience isn't reading the New York Times or the National Review."

I suspect that's a good explanation. But if I were trying to get to the bottom of conservative complaints with "Avatar," I'd offer three more key reasons why the film has set the right's hair on fire:

1) Glorifying soft-headed environmentalism:

If you hadn't noticed, the conservative movement has become the leading focal point for skepticism about global warming. The Wall Street Journal's ardently right-wing editorial pages have been chock-full of stories ridiculing everything including government sponsorship of alternative energy, nutty Prius enthusiasts and scientists who allegedly suppressed climate change data that called into question their claims about global warming (a flap the WSJ dubbed "Climategate").

Ever since Al Gore took center stage with his documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," conservatives have been falling over each other in their attempts to mock liberal planet savers, taking special pleasure in slamming Hollywood environmentalists who fly private jets or live in huge houses. (As soon as Climategate erupted, two Hollywood conservatives surfaced, asking the academy to take back Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" Oscar, even though, inconveniently, the Oscar had actually gone to the film's director, not Gore.)

So Cameron's giddy embrace of a primitive people who live in harmony with their land -- and his scathing portrayal of a soulless corporation willing to do anything, including kill innocent natives, to steal and exploit their planet's valuable natural resources -- is the kind of anti-technology, pro-environment dramaturgy that sets off fire alarms. If "Avatar" had been a western that showed sympathy for the Indians (many have in fact compared its storyline to Kevin Costner's "Dances with Wolves"), conservatives would probably have been up in arms too.

As it is, they have been content to hoot at Cameron's portrayal of the Na'vi's one-ness with nature, with Podhoretz writing: "Like the Keebler elves, the Blue People all live in a big tree together and they go to church at another big tree, under which we learn lives Mother Earth, only since it isn't earth, she isn't called Mother Earth, but the Great Mother or something like that."

2) Godless Hollywood triumphs again:

Conservatives have complained for years that Hollywood ignores, laughs at or disrespects religion. And to be fair, they are not so wrong. It's almost as rare to see a film with a sympathetic portrayal of an openly religious character as it is to see a film with a leading role for an African American actress. I think it's a stretch to call Hollywood godless, but it would certainly be fair to call it an extremely secular world.

Conservatives are always quick to point out that when someone actually made an openly religious film -- and of course we're talking about Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" -- it made hundreds of millions of dollars. Of course, they usually fail to mention that when Hollywood made 2005's "The Nativity Story," a sweet, very respectful religious drama, it earned $37 million in the U.S., just about what it cost to make. Ross Douthat is probably right. Moviegoers are far more comfortable with a fuzzy, inspirational form of pantheism than they are with an openly biblical message.

3) Hollywood's long history of anti-military sloganeering:

There is no doubt that "Avatar" portrays its military contractor characters as barbarous mercenaries, willing -- even eager -- to wipe out innocent natives in their pursuit of Pandora's precious resources. It almost feels as if Cameron is drawing parallels, not only to the Iraq war, but to Vietnam, where the military found itself in the nihilistic position of destroying villages just to save them. Even the New Yorker's David Denby, hardly a die-hard conservative, found himself in awe of the film's "anti-imperialist spectacle." But while Hollywood often makes antiwar movies, "Avatar" is something different -- a peaceful warrior film, celebrating the newly aroused consciousness of a Marine turned defender of a higher faith.

What's fascinating is that the American people, who have almost always shown strong support for our foreign wars, would happily embrace a film that portrays its military characters in such an unflattering light. My guess is that audiences have seen past the obvious because the film is set in a faraway, interplanetary future, not in present-day America. When Russian political dissidents wanted to criticize their oppressive regimes, they would often write stories or make films that were set in the past, inoculating themselves by using a 15th century czar as a stand-in for the tyrant of the day. Cameron has done the same thing, but by moving forward into the future, creating a safe distance for his veiled (and not-so-thinly veiled) social messages.

"Avatar" has, of course, far more on its mind than its politics. It's a triumph of visual imagination and the world's first great 3-D movie. But it is fascinating to see how today's ideology-obsessed conservatives have managed to walk away from such a crowd-pleasing triumph and only see the film's political subtext, not the groundbreaking artistry that's staring them right in the face.
I read this earlier and narrowly escaped the overwhelming urge to jump through the 6th story window that I was sitting behind. I'm heading to the theater in a few to catch this anti-American piece of shit!
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thürstön.3®®0® wrote:all i'm saying is that it becomes pretty damn obvious at this point that cameron only knows how to think in stereotypes.

which is probably why you like his work so much.

I would stereotype Cameron as being awesome at directing while utilizing the best available technology. Aliens, True Lies, T2, now Avatar.

Cameron had the best CGI ever in a major motion picture so far. He had the best utilized 3D in a film so far.
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he's a good VISUAL director, dont get me wrong. and he's good at utilizing special effects VERY effectively. but anything that involves "story" or "dialogue" he pretty much has always sucked at.

true lies? really? i mean jamie lee curtis dancing is pretty much the ONLY redeeming quality of that movie.....
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