who here owns the least physical music?

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i havent read any of this but when i look at the amount of shit i have in boxes i just get sick to my stomach when i realize how much cash i've spent on music over the years
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Not me....although I buy less and less each year. I like to go back and buy older stuff for cheap on Ebay, stuff that never turns up on the net.
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Dann O))) wrote: on Ebay, stuff that never turns up on the net.
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let me just put it this way.....

ill never own the least physical music.

owning the actual thing is part of the experience.
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To me, (and I'm hoping to bypass the fucking asinine deadwalrus debate here), purchasing a CD or an LP or a tape means that in theory you must think about the quality and content more than when you download an mp3. You have to actually decide what records to purchase, what to devote your attention to. It means that you've really thought it out, rather than reading a fucking wiki and downloading a bands entire discography in 6 minutes. It means that you have to think critically about what you're feeding your ears. It's not about having a dick measuing contest about how many albums you own, it's that in this day and age where you can accumulate information so quickly it boggles the mind you are taking the time to really absorb. I got the Nuggets boxes as a gift from my wife a few years ago and my roommates boyfriend took an interest in the albums, came back the next day and said "hey, you know that box set? I downloaded it last night!". In theory, good for you. I doubt Rhino is paying out a ton of royalties for those old 45s, and I'm not suggesting everyone go spend 100 bucks on a box set because the tunes are cool, but it's the immediacy I have contention with - you just get it all! right now!! - but are you absorbing it the same way? I know for a fact when I was a teenager (pre-internet for part of it, even!!) I wasn't able to pick up records with the frequency I do now. Not to say I didn't tape trade, but I had to make smarter purchases since I didn't make a lot of money.

I guess you can see where this is going - I have 8000 MP3s on my ipod right now, from 846 albums and I'd say 90% are from albums I have purchased - I barely have enough time in my day to absorb the records I do buy, let alone the ones I could be downloading. There's so much choice out there that to just take in everything seems preposterous to me.

Although, I totally endorse a "try before you buy" policy with music as well as the downloading of out of print material. With the amount of music available through the CD medium came a floodgate of limp dick hacks thinking themselves music journalists who's criteria for reviewing, and yes, even the tendency (even, nay especially by myself) of music fans to rate every other record I own a "classic" means the quality control of information is perpetually zilch. It's risky business buying records these days......
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I am with you on that, and I think the kids today are worse off without the means of discovery we all grew up with, but DW, Gookstorm, and fallbacktostone (and I!) are right. This is just stuff. Cool stuff, sure, and buying that stuff helps support things you care about, fine. It's still just a bunch of crap that feeds collectors' needs. What are you folks going to do in a few years when storage space and bandwidth are higher?
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father of lies wrote:This is just stuff.
True enough..... but it doesn't need to be an either/or argument..... I just find it hard to believe that music could be someones passion and they don't even purchase CDs or records...... I love old horror movies but I don't buy a lot of them, I probably own less than a hundred DVDs all told, and a lot that I've seen I have rented.... I don't fret if I can't find a movie I really like, but when a record is special, I want to own the album......

But really I think we know that Ross is just trying to weed out who is a false with a big MP3 collection...... trust me, regardless of any debate if all you do is download you are a false......
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I better subscribe to a bunch of newspapers so I don't download more news than I can read.
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neckbeard wrote:I better subscribe to a bunch of newspapers so I don't download more news than I can read.
Comperable scenario!!
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Gookstorm wrote:
Idget Child wrote:The main issue that's being overlooked here is that burned CD-Rs are constructed differently than pro-CDs
No, that's not an issue at all here. I think you've overthought this one out and assumed a awareness level of the original comment. It has to do with means of manufacture for a congruent / identical product. For most people, an mp3 is functionally equivalent to a CD and far more convenient, so it wins. For a tiny minority, they value the properties associated with physical media as much, if not higher, than the actual music itself.
I agree with you (as I generally do on here) concerning how most people will see mp3s as being equivalent to the physical copy, but I went ahead with the deterioration of CD-Rs only because there was a bit of emphasis being placed on the reproducibility of CDs. I just wanted to emphasize on CD-Rs and home-printed artwork as being nothing more than ersatz.

I won't argue against the addiction that some people have to acquiring physical music because I have seen what has happened to friends of mine who work at record stores.
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i guess i'd refine my post by saying i also wish had been more vigilant and strident with cycling shit out that i knew for a fact i'd never listen to. the appeal of owning plastic jewel cases has just rotted away for me but an intimate or personalized lp pressing or cassette i'm still down for.

i dont even want to think about this tbqh
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Turd Murder wrote:There's something about looking at your racks of cd's (or swaying stacks, if you're not the tidy type) and shelves full of vinyl that just says, 'jesus buttloving christ I need to buy more more more.' Call me crass consumer, call me socially retarded hoarder, but I look forward to those quiet, introspective moments when I can lay on the floor in front of my stereo and select titles at random and just get facefucked by music.
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I used to be digital only until I wised up and started collecting. I have a small collection, somewhere around 400 cds and 80 vinyls.
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Necrometer wrote: think you would have to have 1 or 0 CDs to win this thread...
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Turd Murder wrote:There's something about looking at your racks of cd's (or swaying stacks, if you're not the tidy type) and shelves full of vinyl that just says, 'jesus buttloving christ I need to buy more more more.' Call me crass consumer, call me socially retarded hoarder, but I look forward to those quiet, introspective moments when I can lay on the floor in front of my stereo and select titles at random and just get facefucked by music.
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I'll also add that it's not particularly impressive to me when someone owns thousands upon thousands of records..... as if that's something to be bragging about! When do you have time to listen to them? In the last year I've been selling off a lot of music I know I'll never play again, I thought it would be weird to part with all that vinyl but it was strangely liberating, I don't want to have a big record collection just for the sake of having a big record collection, I want to have a music library that is quality, not quantity...... and I am moving soon so I have packed up my CDs already and have started to think more critically about what I purchase..... as I was packing up I cam face to face with too many CDs that we're destined for the second hand shop and it felt great to downsize, my goal for this year (and beyond) is to focus more on the music I have and love than just simply buy more, more, more....... I mean you make the argument that at least you're spending your hard earned dollars towards art, when you could just be buying cigarettes, but at the same time....... :?: :?: :?:
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I own about 300 CDs, but none of them are less that 6 or 7 years old. They are all in a box in my basement. All my music is on my computer in MP3 format. Yup, I am a faggot obsessive downloading maniac, and proud of it. Don't care about MP3 quality as long as it's at least at 192.

Although I disagree 100% with Noah in this thread, I understand why people are like that. Music means a lot to me, but not enough to need to own physical copies, or needing to have everything with pristine sound quality. I couldn't care less about packaging, artwork....even lyrics. I am more than happy with filling my 160gig Ipod with most of my music collection, throwing it on shuffle, and making what could be concidered an ADD party mix.
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Went all digital about 5 years ago. Used to have about 800 or so cds... moving them sucked. Digital is just too convenient, to play, to store... everything. I have everything backed up onto 18-20 DVDs now. I own about 20 cds now and about 30-35 Vinyl... mostly collectors items that I will not part with.
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noah thirteen wrote:I'll also add that it's not particularly impressive to me when someone owns thousands upon thousands of records..... as if that's something to be bragging about!
It becomes a matter of economical means at a point and what the purpose of access to the music is for. Ever see Elton John's collection? He has about 100,000+ CDs in a room that looks like a library. Of course he doesn't have the time to listen to them all.

But the worst part of having such a large collection is that you must organize it or it just sits wasting space, you can't take it with you everywhere, and you're probably holding onto stuff that's already useless due to bitrot (it affects more than CD-Rs - see what happened to a bunch of Bruce Springsteen CDs). This all takes away from enjoying the music in itself. The point of a bigass collection to me is just as self-absorbed and egomaniacal as having a bigass house.

Digital means more time to enjoy the music, more opportunities to enjoy the music, and a higher guarantee that you'll be able to continue to enjoy the music in the future. Artificially controlling supply via vinyl-only releases and such is lame to me because you don't care about the music as much as the culture behind the music. Go write a sociology book then instead if you have so much shit to say? I'll read the book once it's out as an e-book then so I don't have to hold onto 50 boxes of dead trees.

Almost all of my productivity gains in life have been from dissociating information from the media it's on. There are pros and cons to this, and I think that the cons can be easily made up through means that will continue to exist even if physical media became banned (as an extreme case). This is why I have few reservations about going all-digital.
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I spend all of my free time agonizing and obsessing over music, putting mountains of thought into each individual purchase to assure that I have only the most absolutely pristine and purest of music collections. It only makes sense that my collection be on the finest of plastics, cradled lovingly in generic jewel cases, the liner notes illegible, the artwork microscopic. I am noah thirteen.
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DeadWalrus wrote:I spend all of my free time agonizing and obsessing over music, putting mountains of thought into each individual purchase to assure that I have only the most absolutely pristine and purest of music collections. It only makes sense that my collection be on the finest of plastics, cradled lovingly in a generic jewel case, the liner notes illegible, the artwork microscopic. I am noah thirteen.
Hey man remember when I tricked you into discrediting your own vinyl analogy by getting you to rant about the fake value of diamonds? That was awesome!
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Necrometer wrote:Hey man remember when I tricked you into discrediting your own vinyl analogy by getting you to rant about the fake value of diamonds? That was awesome!
hey man remember when that analogy had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the discussion? that was hella sick!
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I'd love to have a huge dimaond collection. So I could sell it to buy more CD's.
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i have like 20-30 favorite bands who i own the most of the discography and like another 30-40 'satellite bands' with one or two records. About 400, maybe closer to 500 cds total since i got into acid mothers temple, the necks and autechre recently ha.

that's not counting the 200 cds under my bed bought blind when i was a kid pre internet... just never sold them.

i don't have lots of vinyl, less than 100

so i'm all about focusing on things that i want to have forever, things i get a lot out of


i also have most of the stuff i want that i know of, everything i want at this point is rare/old/oop
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