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i cant find my facebook public car crash screen caps of the last sort-of fight i had with these dames but if i do i'll post that again for posterior-ity. do we need some ground rules ? like we're talking about these fucking people who do feminism only on people and inside the internet world right? because that's my bone is that i don't think a real feminist world beater is busy policing what people say whether its around her in her private life or on the internet. it's like you're either writing books or out there chaining yourself to african clitori. throwing yourself on the wheels type of shit. otherwise suck the blood from my cock.

i used to read the shit and i don't like being a pig when i realize that i am but somewhere along the line it became impossible for people to be feminist without also being strictly doctrinaire halfheads. the kinda person that wants to debate the merits of naming hurricanes with female names when they live in a evacuation zone.

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and yeah that video is a joke. the dad pretending to be hands off when the camera is already running and with that who-knows edit into the beginning. i started to read the comments in the jezebel post of it but i saved myself the heartburn.

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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:35 pm

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fallbacktostone wrote:do we need some ground rules ? like we're talking about these fucking people who do feminism only on people and inside the internet world right?
no no no, no rules - go wild! I want to see the exchange

I am currently fuming at the FUCKING CUNTS behind this video - I dropped some respectful discourse about how the woman's framing of the sex industry is cripplingly sex-negative and OOPS my comment never got cleared


oh yeah god forbid someone get urinated on in the workplace :wank:

I'm all about people doing their work safely but I really doubt these women are being lured or tricked into a scat scene - fucking shock-tactic video is aimed at those who would rather believe kinky sex doesn't exist... lo and behold their comments wall is in total support of the cause - thanks Big Brother Sister!
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:37 pm

Bored013 wrote:
fallbacktostone wrote: i used to read the shit
Meaning...last semester?
that and i used to run a womens shelter.

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fallbacktostone wrote:i used to run a womens shelter.
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:44 pm

there's just such an ugly gulf between the demands feminists try to make of the world, and my strict rules about having zero toleration fo hoez
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:49 pm

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here's a selection of the thoughtful, useful comments that were cleared:
I've made a convenient with my eyes not to gaze at porn anymore. Sex is meant to express pure love between married ones, most people have perverted it. Consequences are deep.
Porn is for losers.
Women really don't deserve porn abuse or just porn. But if they participate in it, then they are scared for life.
Men who watch this are getting nowhere near me and I hope many other girls and women get together and start a campaign to REFUSE to date ANY male who uses porn. I also think women who tout this business as sex positive know NOTHING of intimate sexuality. Of course, I think the same way of men who support this industry. It's cruel, abusive, manipulative and downright psychologically unhealthy.
this is jacked up. i didn't even know porn was legal?
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:53 pm

Bored013 wrote:Even uglier: male feminists.
i think that's what feboos was driving at with his post; it's like you physically can't accept the valid points feminism raises without turning your brain to oatmeal and thinking maybe the dworkinites have some solid arguments as well
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Necrometer wrote:I am currently fuming at the FUCKING CUNTS behind this video - I dropped some respectful discourse about how the woman's framing of the sex industry is cripplingly sex-negative and OOPS my comment never got cleared
why do you find it worth pointing out that a video about a women discussing abuse in the porn industry is going to have a sex-negative stance? isn't that like posting how an undercover video from a meat packing plant is meat-negative? whose minds are you hoping to change and why?

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Necrometer wrote:I am currently fuming at the FUCKING CUNTS behind this video - I dropped some respectful discourse about how the woman's framing of the sex industry is cripplingly sex-negative and OOPS my comment never got cleared
why do you find it worth pointing out that a video about a women discussing abuse in the porn industry is going to have a sex-negative stance? isn't that like posting how an undercover video from a meat packing plant is meat-negative? whose minds are you hoping to change and why?
the argument between pro-sex and anti-porn basically the feminists in half and destroyed their unified movement during the '80s... a lot of modern feminism efforts strive for sex-positivity which covers safe and empowered conditions for those working in the sex industry... fighting abuse linked to sexuality is not necessarily fighting sexuality

the shitbrains behind that vid appear to be fighting for sex workers' rights but they're actually more concerned with fighting the existence of porn, which is an impossible and pointless battle... access to porn correlates with LESS rape [ http://tinyurl.com/89z8ctk ] so if these assholes actually care about protecting innocent IRL women they should find a way to make peace with pornography

also you're an underrepresented poster and should post more
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:07 pm

so they just needed a disclaimer saying, "btw, i'm cool with porn if no one is being abused," and they wouldn't be FUCKING CUNTS? i get what you're saying in general, but this seems like a silly battle to pick, especially considering how fucking repulsive the porn industry is overall.

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Necrometer wrote:the shitbrains behind that vid appear to be fighting for sex workers' rights but they're actually more concerned with fighting the existence of porn, which is an impossible and pointless battle... access to porn correlates with LESS rape [ http://tinyurl.com/89z8ctk ] so if these assholes actually care about protecting innocent IRL women they should find a way to make peace with pornography
yeah but this falls under the category of that famous carlin line about how "have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place"; most of the women who are anti-porno you'd never want to be involved in the world of sex at all
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basically my point is who fucking cares what angry ugly women think
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:14 pm

riley-o wrote:most of the women who are anti-porno you'd never want to be involved in the world of sex at all
man when i was in school most of the anti-porn girls (i knew their stances because i was an english major and therefore subjected to dozens of these fruitless conversations) were unobtainably attractive, and made even more attractive by their refusal to tolerate the dregs of male culture. in my experience the white trash chicks are the ones who openly like porn and talk about it with guys (while pathetically trying to be one of the guys).

but you're in canada and i've heard everything is the opposite there, so that could explain it

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featherboa wrote:now reading: Woman and Nature, The Roaring Inside Her.
actually read Sex at Dawn, you will love it
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Necrometer wrote:the shitbrains behind that vid appear to be fighting for sex workers' rights but they're actually more concerned with fighting the existence of porn, which is an impossible and pointless battle... access to porn correlates with LESS rape [ http://tinyurl.com/89z8ctk ] so if these assholes actually care about protecting innocent IRL women they should find a way to make peace with pornography
yeah but this falls under the category of that famous carlin line about how "have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place"; most of the women who are anti-porno you'd never want to be involved in the world of sex at all
hahaha, not in my experience - I've had more than one long relationship where a major drawback was sexual hangups, maybe primarily anti-porn hangups - and they were still pretty rad at sex and dateable otherwise...

what I am saying is that I am into angry cute women, like my friend SA here
Spooky Apparition wrote:so they just needed a disclaimer saying, "btw, i'm cool with porn if no one is being abused," and they wouldn't be FUCKING CUNTS? i get what you're saying in general, but this seems like a silly battle to pick, especially considering how fucking repulsive the porn industry is overall.
the only person I was ironically/hyperbolically-name-calling at was the one running that youtube account; it's really frustrating to see them censoring my attempt at respectful discourse I guess...

did you watch the video though? the shit she says is hugely anti-kink and anti-sex - there's a way to make that video and I don't think that's it - because it encourages that half-headed outlook of "I'm never fucking a guy who watches porn"
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:24 pm

i'll admit the first 30 seconds with the girl crying grossed me out and i quit watching, but i believe you that their tone is probably straight up anti-porn. i guess i'm just not surprised given the subject material that they're not recommending female-friendly porn or something like that, but i get where you're coming from.
Necrometer wrote:what I am saying is that I am into angry cute women, like my friend SA here
fuck yeah. i'll never get over angry cute women :cheers:

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featherboa wrote:now reading: Woman and Nature, The Roaring Inside Her.
Jesus, man. Can't you read some Haraway instead? That eco-feminist stuff is ridic.

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i've never met an attractive woman who was vocally anti-porno. granted i don't bring the subject up with all of them,
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Spooky Apparition wrote:i guess i'm just not surprised given the subject material that they're not recommending female-friendly porn or something like that,
well that's the thing, there are porn stars who are 100% cool and comfortable with all the stuff that she rails against in that vid - but they're interested in putting forth the notion that every time you see someone getting fisted on video, they're sobbing and bleeding "behind the scenes" and that's just not the case. and that's why I wanted to chime in
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I do support Riley in her assertion that girls can play with superheroes and boys can buy pink, if they want to.
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