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The bonus tracks are actually better than some of the songs on the main record, too. I'd swap in Peace of Mind or Pariah for God is Dead in a heartbeat.

I really like how the album touches upon all the eras of Sabbath (there's bits and pieces of Heaven and Hell, Dehumanizer and Eternal Idol-type riffing all over the place) and Ozzy and Iommi's solo careers as well.
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I'm actually pissed that this isn't terrible enough for me to immediately write off and talk shit about for the rest of my life

I mean, it isn't good or anything but it just isn't the trainwreck I was sort of hoping for
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Mooretician wrote:I'm actually pissed that this isn't terrible enough for me to immediately write off and talk shit about for the rest of my life
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Mooretician wrote:I'm actually pissed that this isn't terrible enough for me to immediately write off and talk shit about for the rest of my life

I mean, it isn't good or anything but it just isn't the trainwreck I was sort of hoping for
fuckin admit it..........it's good. don't strain yourself trying to prevent that particular reality to sink into your melon.

Black Sabbath did it right.

ADMIT IT.
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shut the fuck up, no they didn't
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given the choice why would anyone on planet earth (gombadoodlydoof obviously doesn't count) want to listen to this over the first 4 albums. Past checking it out being curious, who would a year or two down the road think "I'm in the mood for some sabbath..I'll put on 13!" it just doesn't compute....
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exactly.. I have revisited The Devil you Know on more than a few occasions though fwiw.
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Raw Ting wrote:given the choice why would anyone on planet earth (gombadoodlydoof obviously doesn't count) want to listen to this over the first 4 albums. Past checking it out being curious, who would a year or two down the road think "I'm in the mood for some sabbath..I'll put on 13!" it just doesn't compute....
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No one is arguing an album out 36 hours is a bigger funner listen than albums we've all loved for about 30 years.

Hell, I still toss on the Eternal Idol on occasion.
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Geeheeb wrote:shut the fuck up, no they didn't
yes they did.

thank the sweet lord that rick rubin was there to save the day and guide them to glory.

GLORY.
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BUNGVOX wrote:
Geeheeb wrote:shut the fuck up, no they didn't
yes they did.

thank the sweet lord that rick rubin was there to save the day and guide them to glory.

GLORY.
ricky can sleep on my basement futon any day of the week
rileyo wrote:i like that she's wearing high heels &stockings to get fucked by dead pigs,that's some real forward thinking metal right there
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BUNGVOX wrote:
Geeheeb wrote:shut the fuck up, no they didn't
yes they did.

thank the sweet lord that rick rubin was there to save the day and guide them to glory.

GLORY.
ricky can sleep on my basement futon any day of the week
he will motivate you to reach your fullest potential.

just like sabbath you too will be exceeding all expectations.
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Zerohero wrote: Eternal Idol
now THAT'S real sabbath right there.
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BUNGVOX wrote:
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BUNGVOX wrote:
Geeheeb wrote:shut the fuck up, no they didn't
yes they did.

thank the sweet lord that rick rubin was there to save the day and guide them to glory.

GLORY.
ricky can sleep on my basement futon any day of the week
he will motivate you to reach your fullest potential.

just like sabbath you too will be exceeding all expectations.
wait till you see my parroty threads after he's farted up my futon... next level for sure
rileyo wrote:i like that she's wearing high heels &stockings to get fucked by dead pigs,that's some real forward thinking metal right there
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I think I like these better than a few of the songs that made the record. And goofy title aside, Methademic has some straight-up Dehumanizer style riffing.
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hah, the RATM drummer wasn't deserving of being in the pic. i've got to give him some credit for not CONSTANTLY bashing the crash cymbal on this album though. i didn't know he had it in him. some of this drumming is even... borderline tasteful
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StoreboughtCakeForSeamus wrote:I am digging this album
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But Ozy has has too much plastic surgery and Botox and he looks like an old country club woman here.

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rileyo wrote:i like that she's wearing high heels &stockings to get fucked by dead pigs,that's some real forward thinking metal right there
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Spooky Apparition wrote:hah, the RATM drummer wasn't deserving of being in the pic. i've got to give him some credit for not CONSTANTLY bashing the crash cymbal on this album though. i didn't know he had it in him. some of this drumming is even... borderline tasteful
okay mate....here's the deal....you're drumming on the album.....but......you aren't going to be in any of the pictures and you're not going to be on tour with us......now bugger off.
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... and now you do what they told ya...
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Guys, you don't have to get this heated over a 2013 Black Sabbath record. You're fucking grown ups.
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hipster holocaust wrote:Guys, you don't have to get this heated over a 2013 Black Sabbath record. You're fucking grown ups.
Everyone's a child in comparison to the members of Sabbath.
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hipster holocaust wrote:Guys, you don't have to get this heated over a 2013 Black Sabbath record. You're fucking grown ups.
Everyone's a child in comparison to the members of Sabbath.
hell is hot.

sabbath is on fire thx to sweet lord rubin.
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hipster holocaust wrote:Guys, you don't have to get this heated over a 2013 Black Sabbath record. You're fucking grown ups.
have you seen the AIC thread dude?
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El Hongo Diabolico wrote:Kind of getting a kick out of people tagging/labeling this album "traditional heavy metal."
I'd love to hear more...
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Album officially has been out a day, and this genius has it all figured out..
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"But the Emperor is naked!" The boy said.

~The Emperor’s New Clothes, Hans Christian Andersen, 1837

It wasn’t gonna be Volume 4. It wasn’t even gonna be side one of Never Say Die! There was no way they could ever have a hope in hell of possibly getting it right – was there?
Surely not.
Right?


With the brutal, untimely loss of Ronnie James Dio in 2010, and (ahem) “Heaven & Hell” with him, there was no question a patch-up with with the original Sab Four had to happen, and pretty tout-de-fucking-suite. But it seemed foreboding from its announcement on 11.11.11 – Tony Iommi’s cancer diagnosis two months later meant there was even less than no time to fuck around. Then, depending on whom you believe, Bill Ward got shanghai’d with a fugazy contract, so he gave the other three two fingers, his face got chopped out of the pictures, and before it had even started, the glorious “Black Sabbath reunion” looked pretty well teats-up - except, of course, it wasn’t.

Enter next The Rubin, who’s made a lucrative career of defibrillating many a flatlining music career, but here was the white whale, the holiest of Holy Grails - Black Sabbath: Just imagine what could be done if they got it together enough to do one last full-length! A band whose first four (er, six, actually) records are the dictionary-definition of tectonic: land-forming slabs from which all headbanger life was borne. Even Ozzy-era albums seven (Technical Ecstasy) and eight (Never Say Die!), the ones everybody shits on, have moments of timeless greatness on them. Needless to say, it was Rubin’s herculean task to Frankenstein an album out of a band whose first full-length in thirty-five years(!) had better be seriously fucking up-to-snuff.

Then -as if shit wasn’t hinky enough- some genius decides to title the record 13, for no real good reason (nope, no possible bad juju there), then some genius decides to get the kid from Rage Against the Machine on the skins (after first considering Ginger Baker – let your mind reel at that shit for a moment!). It seemed as if momentously bad decisions were the theme of the new Sabbath record before a lick had even been recorded.

But here we are, many months later. So, just how is the -arguably- most-important-heavy-metal-record-in-a-very-long-fucking-time? Grandly disappointing, which was not unexpected; But it’s all the more so because of those elements that almost, almost work, should work, and don’t - ultimately falling so terribly flat.

You don’t wanna be a robot ghost, occupied inside a human host
Somebody… no, not somebody… Geezer Butler actually wrote that lyric down and put it in a Black Sabbath song. Yes, opener “End of the Beginning” is chock-fulla asinine lyrical missteps, and it sets the tone for the rest of the record. Throughout, turns-of-phrase like Give me the wine, you keep the bread in “God Is Dead?” serve more to irritate than conjure up anything meaningful or clever. In fact, the majority of the lyrics seem tired and phoned in. No one’s expecting Rimbaud, but jeez, Geez, cliché lines like Well I don't wanna live forever, But I don't want to die... I may be dreaming or whatever, I live inside a lie! just seem like nobody’s trying that hard anymore.

On to Ozzy’s vocal work: I know - it’d be sure-as-shit unfair of me to compare Ozzy’s performance here to anything he himself recorded on the first few Sabbath records (even though that’s clearly what he’s going for); I’d be even more of a blue-meanie to compare his performance here to anything Dio handed in on The Devil You Know in 2009 - but even for Ozz, this typically over-processed attempt is anemic. And the hither-and-thither chucking-in of nostalgic oh yeah!s, alright!s, and okay!s , or the occasional demonic laugh just paint a bright red try-harder target on the band’s back. We know, we’ve all heard “Sweet Leaf”, you don’t have to remind us that this isn’t “Sweet Leaf”.

The drums? It’s not Bill Ward. End of story.

Okay, maybe not… Sadly, maybe even Bill Ward can’t live up to being Bill Ward these days, and if so, we’re all much, much poorer for that fact. Was Brad Wilk a worthy replacement? No, but in fairness, no one was. Wilk plays it by-the-numbers, whatever Iommi and Rubin want him to. He doesn’t get to shine, and why should he? He’s a hired gun, nothing more, nothing less. The album’s percussion limps without Ward’s showboatery, though – those crazy-train, about to fall-off-the-rails drums were as much a hallmark of the Sabbath canon as Iommi’s conquering riffs and Butler’s throbbing low end. You know as well as I do: it don’t mean a thing if it don’t got that swing.

But let’s talk hackneyed, ham-fisted nostalgia instead.

Cue “Zeitgeist”, so transparent an attempt to recapture the vibe of “Planet Caravan” (itself the weakest link on the most done Black Sabbath album of all time), right down to its prominent conga line, its Pro-Tool’d vocal effect (no more carting around that Leslie speaker, eh? God, technology!), its hippy-dippy, love-in-a-black-hole lyrics, they could have just as well re-recorded the fucker, called it “Planet Caravan 2020” or some such cosmic twaddle, and it wouldn’t’ve mattered. It amounts to the same.

So many of the songs are just tepid, weak-tea attempts: “Loner”, “Age of Reason”, “Live Forever”, “Damaged Soul” – not a one of them has the slightest staying power.

I can hear the peanut gallery’s cries now: Oh, you’re just a hater, ‘n haters gon’ hate.

It was once said (by someone who, could he hear it, would surely be far more disappointed in this new Sabbath record than the lowly likes of myself) that you can only hate that which you once loved – so consider that as you bop your head, toe the line, and tell yourself “Hey, gee, this new Sabbath is pretty swell.”

Compared to what? This is not any band’s reunion album.

This is supposed to be the mighty Sab Four.
A band on whose back ten million heavy metal ships set sail upon black seas in honor of, in homage to.
A band which birthed The Riff™, in all its caterwauling-Rosemary’s-Baby glory.
A band which gave credence to growing your hair long and playing as ungodly-loud as fucking possible.
A band of four fuckups who came from black-lunged, industrial-wasteland nothing, only to accidentally invent a genre of music that proved beauty within ugliness, and gave breath and identity to countless misfits who reveled in the middle-finger, sonic-excess, self-righteous glory of heavy fucking metal. They’re the reason we’re all here.

And this is why 13 is ultimately so, so disappointing. Perhaps the mighty Black Sabbath set the bar too high to ever be able to live up to their past glories.

But… There's a way it might have worked a lot better. That’s the hardest part. There are two bright moments, a pair of shiny new pennies glinting out from beneath a pile of fresh manure, strong enough to warrant praise, anyway - so I will say this much: A full-length was foolhardy; there was bound to be filler. But Black Sabbath could have, and probably should have done a single.

“God Is Dead?”, and “Dear Father”, for all their faults, come so fucking close to grabbing the brass ring: Iommi’s riffs are sky-cracking, warlord, oskorei thunder - properly grandiose and apocalyptic enough that all is *almost* right with the doomslaked world. Even Ozzy’s processed-to-shit vocals are palatable on these songs; at least, they’re well in-line with, and work in favor of his capabilities at this late date. Ultimately, though, nothing can take away from Iommi’s Left Hand.

“God Is Dead?” is moody, with glimmers of “Hand of Doom” Geezer-creepy-crawl in the verses, and it’s got a great hook leading into the chorus. “Dear Father”, meanwhile, builds tension to a fantastic Sabotage-ian climax, before it erupts into “Hole in the Sky” madness. The songs aren't perfect. But on an album that's otherwise unmemorable, mediocre, with zero staying power, I’ll take what I can get.

No one in Black Sabbath needed the money a reunion album would bring. Shit, nobody buys albums anymore anyway. I’m sure their intentions were good [most of them - $haron’s a member of the band, right?]. Just as I’m sure much of the unbridled love for this record is the realization that, shit man - this is it, one last album, one last tour and it’s vaya con diablos to the mighty Black Sabbath. For. Ever. Who’s gonna be playing heavy metal in their seventies?

Whether you embrace or reject 13, just remember - it is your Sabbath-given right as a metalhead to do so.
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the one big gripe i have so far with this album is all the ozzy-isms.

i think sweet lord rubin failed them in that regard.

he either said 'hey ozzy....at the end of that verse throw in an 'alright now or a come on now or an alright yeah''

or he didn't prevent ozzy from throwing that shit in there. but somehow i think lord rubin encouraged it.

'zeitgeist' is just too much 'planet caravan' for my tastes. my production expertise would have prompted me to keep the congas and spacey vokills off there. either that or shitcan the tune completely.

otherwise....this is a showcase of some sweet iommi riffs and geezer bass mastery. brad wilk plays it safe and stays within the pre-set parameters that were laid out for him by lord rubin. ozzy is just ozzy and you simply have to deal with that.
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