HANNIBAL on NBC

[spacehamster]

Sister does a shower scene in Freddy vs. Jason BUT I have a faded memory that says it was a body double for the boobs part. She also starred in a werewolf trilogy called Ginger Snaps if you need more of her.

Yeah, her IMDB.com resume pretty much looks like she's an old-fashioned scream queen who's in nothing but horror movies. Figures she would've had her bewbz out at least once or twice.

I don't know how this show surivives on NBC either. I thought the opening scene of this season was bad, but Verger feeding his own face to the dogs this episode was fffffffff...

[The Bill]

Sister does a shower scene in Freddy vs. Jason BUT I have a faded memory that says it was a body double for the boobs part. She also starred in a werewolf trilogy called Ginger Snaps if you need more of her.

Yeah, her IMDB.com resume pretty much looks like she's an old-fashioned scream queen who's in nothing but horror movies. Figures she would've had her bewbz out at least once or twice.

I don't know how this show surivives on NBC either. I thought the opening scene of this season was bad, but Verger feeding his own face to the dogs this episode was fffffffff...

That earlier episode where the guy tears his skin off getting un-glued from "the eye" was something out of an unrated version of a horror film when I was growing up. Now it's on broadcast television.

[Spooky Apparition]

shit, all of this gruesome stuff is making me wish I would have watched this from the beginning and it's not on netflix or anything. double

[spacehamster]

That earlier episode where the guy tears his skin off getting un-glued from "the eye" was something out of an unrated version of a horror film when I was growing up. Now it's on broadcast television.

That's the season opener I was talking about, at least I thought that was the first episode. It's not even how gory it is, it's the context and the way the entire scene. The way the guy wakes up and slowly realizes what's happened to him - fucking nightmare stuff.

[Wang Mandu]

"I'm full of myself."



Michael Pitt needs more work. Hallucination scene was amazing.

shit, all of this gruesome stuff is making me wish I would have watched this from the beginning and it's not on netflix or anything. double

Do you have Amazon Prime? It's free if you do or $20.99 for the full season. The Season 1 Blu-Ray is less than $20.

[Wang Mandu]

[How Are Mortiis Goatse?!]

Face feeding scene was fucking gnarly, I've seen plenty of extreme horror and exploitation cinema without flinching. The same goes for all sorts of gory internet shock videos as well as IRL gore while working at a hospital, but I had to actually reach out with my palm and cover part of my field of vision during that scene, which I can't remember ever having to do.

[spacehamster]

It was like the ultimate "guy chews with his mouth open" scene.

Heehee.

[The Real MPD]

well fucking HARDY-HAR-HAR.

[spacehamster]

Meh. Kind of a disappointing ending. Resolves almost nothing and ends on a wtf moment seemingly just for the purpose of ending on a wtf moment.

[FVBTVS]

thought that ending was amazing actually. redeemed a good deal imho

[Wang Mandu]

I liked.it too and really want to watch it again. The music really made the scenes for me.

[spacehamster]

redeemed a good deal imho

Like what?

Or maybe you guys can answer my biggest question about this episode - why is Abigail there? The only explanation, obviously, is that Hannibal has been brainwashing her the whole time, but why would he do that? The only reason for her being there seems to be that Will has to experience not being able to protect her again, just before he himself dies, but that's just what the writers wanted, Hannibal couldn't have planned that. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Unless you somehow believe that Hannibal knew everything that was going to happen because omg, he's so smart, but that's ridiculous.

[thez]

Originally Abigail was supposed to be Will's prize for killing Jack Crawford. Crackpot psychologist would probably say Hannibal would try to associate Will's killing of Jack with the great feeling of seeing Abigail, and so erase any possible guilt that may come up. After all, killing Jack would have been different from killing the other two - one was self-defense, the other was self-preservation/hate.

When Hannibal realises that Will has/is going to Betray him, he decides to still bring Abigail into the story and kill her in front of Will to inflict as much psychological pain as possible on him.

Having kept Abigail around but faked her death makes sense as well. You get the feeling all through out the show that Hannibal wants to have a protégé (or two?), and Abigail being younger and thus more pliable was also already well on her way to becoming a killer herself. Having her thought dead insures that she is kept under Hannibal's wing.


What I didn't get is why does Will, who at that point should be a focused "undercover" agent taking down a suspect, not shoot Hannibal in his kitchen when he has the chance?

[FVBTVS]

redeemed a good deal imho

Like what?

the entire first season.

[spacehamster]

Originally Abigail was supposed to be Will's prize for killing Jack Crawford. Crackpot psychologist would probably say Hannibal would try to associate Will's killing of Jack with the great feeling of seeing Abigail, and so erase any possible guilt that may come up. After all, killing Jack would have been different from killing the other two - one was self-defense, the other was self-preservation/hate.

I guess that makes sense as an interpretation, but anything that requires the audience to come up with an interpretation like this that basically could have filled an entire episode just isn't good writing to me. Too many blanks to fill in, even if you can make it add up to something that makes sense in the end.

It also bugs me how the Verger storyline ended up not going anywhere but giving Verger the chewed-off face. It was a huge plotline this episode, and then it just sort of abruptly ends before the season's over, turning out to have been nothing more than an "origin story" for a major character. Course I'm mostly just disappointed because it was so good while it lasted.

As I'm typing this up, I'm also kind of realizing that most of this stuff just bugs me because I'm holding the show to a higher standard now that it's managed to be more than "Mads Mikkelsen and some cool set designs", the TV series.

[BUNGVOX]

as a member of THE I DON'T WATCH TELEVISION BRIGADE or I.D.W.T.B. or IxDxWxTxB it is my duty to inform and remind you that i don't watch television

[CROSTY]

shit, all of this gruesome stuff is making me wish I would have watched this from the beginning and it's not on netflix or anything. double

Showbox

[elephants gerald]

not quite done with the second season, so I'm not going to read any of this thread yet, but I just have to say that michael pitt is fucking awful on this show. totally tonedeaf, goofy performance

[The Real MPD]

crushes

[FVBTVS]

oh shit i forgot!

[spacehamster]

Episode 1 is basically a completely plotless collage of Hannibal eating people and Scully whispering.

I'm not sure if that makes it the greatest episode in the history of the show or if that means it's jumped the shark.

[Wang Mandu]

Haha I loved it. "Are you observing or participating?" But that is not the kind of episode to attract new viewers.

[TheMooretician]

Fuck yeah, I dug it too. Not sure how I feel about Hannibal in his weird Prurient-guy mode but I loved the odd pace and all the dreamlike weirdness. Show rules. Bring on Dollarhyde NOW

[spacehamster]

Yeah, I'm not saying I didn't like it or anything, it just really felt like they... went all in, basically. Also, it's not like I miss the cop show crap. I hope there's as little as possible of that this time.