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Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:20 am

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is this whole russia thing still a sideshow, team mantis? hit me with your best naked link
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it is a sideshow! still! never wasn't! there are far more overt, out, naked, unquestionable affronts to the sorts of things that russia is widely assumed to have done—namely, fuck with the franchise—but so much of liberal fantasyland is focused on the russia shit. it's qanon for wine moms that decided to break up their real housewives marathons with CNN. any lib that whines about russian interference (which is most of them) but then doesn't know who their own state representative and/or senator is (which is most of them) deserves four more years of president lipitor.

here's how you can tell the russia thing is functionally meaningless: identify one single trump policy that has come to fruition that is fundamentally inconsistent with the larger GOP platform (unless, of course, your thesis is that the whole GOP is on the russian payroll which... is dumb?). and that's just a threshold question! from there, identify how that policy specifically inheres to the benefit of russian interests. has there been... anything on that front? the closest thing i can think of is syrian withdrawal—which is a super attenuated "win" for moscow, and also totally consistent with the "we need to stop being the world's police" strain of blood and soil politics that has pervaded the makeup of trump's base since fuckin pat buchanan in the late 80s.
can I believe that a decent chunk of the GOP is largely compromised by the RNC hack, which almost certainly resulted in blackmailing of lindsey "totally secret cocksucker" graham & pals? mcconnel's up to his neck in russian money, GOP/NRA are besties and NRA is on the russian teat... you can say this is all coincidental but... why?

our government is currently experiencing its longest-ever shut down, alt-right is A THING, a recession is looming, trade deficit with china is worse than ever (to the benefit of...) and our relations with international allies are at their worst (pulling out of NATO doesn't seem that much of a stretch). and yes DEFINITELY syria.

although... you kind of set up an unwinnable argument because GOP and russia are both aligned in wanting a destabilized everything here, because that serves their respective interests in slightly different ways. I don't think russia is a massive causal agent in all this but plenty of powerful GOP peeps are literally collaborating with (or kowtowing to) russia in ways that are mutually beneficial (or just happen to be self-serving). and backing the clearly-compromised trump at this point constitutes doing russia's bidding IMO, although I don't feel super confident on that.

do I get points because I didn't mention interference, at least?
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:21 am

there's also that july 4 visit to russia of exclusively republican lawmakers last year which is just fucking WEIRD. I only have Qanon levels of certainty around that one though...
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:25 am

he's trying to leave nato, guyyy

and the sec of def pretty much resigned over it?

now i know why sjw scum wax all day about emotional labor :lol:
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i mean i agree anyone posting popcorn reactions gifs on twitter to buzzfeed acrticles about trump/russia should be definitely shot out of a cannon into the sea but come on

if you're trying to say that there's fundamentally more urgent and terrible impacts theyre having on more important matters (climate, the environment, the border etc) and the russia shit is less important to you than i dont have a problem with that fwiw
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:41 am

dude buzzfeed broke both the dossier and the trump-cohen subornation (new word for me!) - I think we need to find a different punchline e-rag :lol:
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if you're trying to say that there's fundamentally more urgent and terrible impacts theyre having on more important matters (climate, the environment, the border etc) and the russia shit is less important to you than i dont have a problem with that fwiw
indeed

although I don't think the border/wall stuff is strictly non-russia. racial nonsense in the US is part of their agenda. they even ruined episode VIII by tricking cuck bloggers into writing response pieces about how it wasn't actually SJW propaganda. can't we just talk about the actual problems!?!?
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I don't think russia is a massive causal agent
then why does it fucking matter

you put names to actual people and actual groups that are actually fucking things up—and, mind you, have continued to fuck things up INDEPENDENT of russian komrpomoatlkanstnl;erkskaya for decades! the problem is fucking endemic and that there is this insane focus on a foreign government instead of the actual native causal agents that even you admit conceivably could have their own incredibly shitty motivations is just unbelievable

democrats in office and in the media focus on russia because to implicate all foreign influence would spotlight their own kowtowing to qatar and other international financiers. that's why russia is a story—not because of the gravamen of their alleged conduct, but because it's from the wrong team and didn't go through the appropriate laundering—if trump had set up a think tank or five, there'd be no there there.

(and for all your talk about "unwinnable arguments," you then imply that having the same vague big-picture political objectives is close enough—but there were going to be two horses to bet on. is the uranium one non-story now somehow a story just because russian interests were vaguely served? is it all just russia all the way down? and again, the GOP playbook has been basically unchanged since yeltsin was in office, with a slight ramp-up in cruise missile-ing brown people since 9/11. how is that not hugely exculpatory?)
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:59 am

that is a good argument

before I respond, could you do a quick fill-in of:
"obama was _____'s puppet"
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:12 pm

it is a very good (left flanking) pedantic argument that totally ignores the reality warping and granular depth of the trump familys grift and behavior that effectively makes that the cato institute influencing policy w koch bros money the same as michael cohen buying polls with vitor belforts gloves
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:13 pm

cant we all just hate every fascist, competent or not

i mean i too welcome the future where the countrys elections are determined solely by the combined and opposed efforts of the worlds various intelligence services to smear their unfavored candidate on the social media network of choice. and that'll be no different than, say, aipac existing or whatever

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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:45 pm

okay hear me out

modern life means navigating a soul destroying and vertiginous kaleidoscope of sideshows :idea:
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that is a good argument

before I respond, could you do a quick fill-in of:
"obama was _____'s puppet"
the financial industry
the medical industry
the military industrial complex
the Saudi royal family
his own imagined legacy
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:47 pm

i honestly feel like having a lot of answers there is preferable, not damning

unless you think those all have aligned interests
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:00 pm

they, uh, do? and you don't think that trump is also beholden to those very same interests? plus others, like coal, oil/nat gas, etc.?

re: fbts's extremely ninja edit addition - let's be 100% clear here: there's no evidence anywhere that anybody but boomers already suffering from post-retirement dementia digested any of the Extremely Online Russian Activities posted on facebook et al. and fundamentally, if a multi-billion dollar legitimate national political campaign apparatus can't overcome some fuckin sarcastic wonka memes that racist moms in eau claire retweeted, then what exactly are we attempting to save here?
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is this whole russia thing still a sideshow, team mantis? hit me with your best naked link
Here's a link I posted in the encroaching dystopia thread that was ignored in favor of baby dolls, sex robots and cheeseburgers

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176506/ ... hing/#more

Now tell me how Russia is the real threat and most important 24/7 news item of our time.
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you've got to be fucking kidding me
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What are you fucking on about? Block me and be done with it
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why would i block you when there this maaaann :roll:

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Nah I'm obviously kidding you. Mass extinctions are a big fucking punch line huh cold warriors? Hey Ross, one year left to impeach. You still a true believer?
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I think my favorite part of the Russia stuff is the minority of ultra-left wing liberals who try to appear so "woke" that they are convinced it's all smoke and mirrors and just a way for the Military Industrial Complex to lead us into a nuclear war with Russia.
Stabbed in the eyes with a fucking caak...

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If someone were to stuff Giuliani into a wood chipper and packaged the remnants into dog food cans would that be considered a “hypothetical” situation?
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I think my favorite part of the Russia stuff is the minority of ultra-left wing liberals who try to appear so "woke" that they are convinced it's all smoke and mirrors and just a way for the Military Industrial Complex to lead us into a nuclear war with Russia.
What is “ultra left wing” to you you fucking goober.

What you’re describing is idiots like Jimmy Dore.
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MANTIS wrote:
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:16 am
is this whole russia thing still a sideshow, team mantis? hit me with your best naked link
Here's a link I posted in the encroaching dystopia thread that was ignored in favor of baby dolls, sex robots and cheeseburgers

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176506/ ... hing/#more

Now tell me how Russia is the real threat and most important 24/7 news item of our time.
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