femaleliberationarmy wrote:I think the more important question is why THIS book is being treated as something sexually liberating for women when it simply reheats age-old, misogynistic gendered stereotypes, sprinkles some S & M on top, and gives itself a veneer of authenticity by virtue of coming from a female writer. I mean this in every way subscribes to traditional, and yes sexist, notions of romance in which the female is submissive from the start - and likes it that way. I mean for f**k's sake, does she really have to be a virgin? REALLY? Talk about cliche and abborhent. As someone who practices S & M as a submissive, I can guarantee that a BDSM sexual experience does not BEGIN on such unequal footing. In fact, its very serious that ground rules are agreed upon prior to the encounter, and its important the the dominant person is acting with care and attention to the sub's pleasure. In this novel, its just wholesale domination, in every aspect of her life, without regard to her pleasure, and it seems that its more the sexualization of gendered inequality that happens all over our society, than an exploration of the psycho-sexual aspects of bdsm. Call me close-minded but I'm seriously annoyed that the first mainstream-embraced novel about bdsm features a *virginal*, naive, dumb college student and an immensely powerful and rich executive who *manipulates* her into submission - in every aspect of her life.
Yeah, that's just about it, you're close-minded. It's a sexual fantasy, and those do not have to conform to anyone's political/ sexual ideology. One of the most popular sexual fantasy among women is being raped (apparently, it's one of the stables of romance novels/ women porn), but it doesn't say anything about their stance towards human rights etc. Women and men get off on non-PC sex/ sexual fantasies and there's nothing you can do about it, so lighten the fuck up you bourgeois fuck. Jeez...
I think her frustration is justified - if she's into kinky shit and that's important to her, then this book goes viral and runs the absolute worst PR campaign of misinformation against BDSM... she has every right to her feelings and response
but no one is "to blame" because E L James was initially just fucking off posting Twilight fan-fic, never realizing that she was actually going to be telling so many people that it's perfectly natural for a sub to be actually weeping during her first flogging
I already addressed this with the rape-fantasy-fulfillment angle so I don't disagree with your response either
I can understand why she gets angry at the book (though IMHO it's more because, in her own way, she's a PC fuck, rather than because she's angry about her precious BDSM practices getting bad publicity) but still, it's made for so if people base their opinion on BDSM on it, it's not the book's fault. I admit this might sound naive, but I'm still convinced that people should inform themselves if they're interested in a topic. In a similar way, blaming porn produced for (adult) males for teenaged dudes demanding anal sex from their first date is bullshit; you might rather ask why parents hadn't talked to their kids about what sex is/ should really be like.
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Luca Blight wrote:one of my classmates posted on Facebook about how much she's enjoying the series, and how "they're well written and addicting"...she's one of the smarter people in my class, I'm a bit disappointed in her
Luca Blight wrote:she's one of my vet tech classmates....not like she's an English major, but still...
i work with a girl that's taking the mcat to go premed. after texting her a bunch of bullshit about shaming the shit out of her for being such a milquetoast, doomed to live a purgatoric life of simpering simplicity she replied with: "Stop using big words. I went to school for science not English. Thank you."
THE KILL wrote:Yeah, that's just about it, you're close-minded. It's a sexual fantasy, and those do not have to conform to anyone's political/ sexual ideology. One of the most popular sexual fantasy among women is being raped (apparently, it's one of the stables of romance novels/ women porn), but it doesn't say anything about their stance towards human rights etc. Women and men get off on non-PC sex/ sexual fantasies and there's nothing you can do about it, so lighten the fuck up you bourgeois fuck. Jeez...
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a world of no wrote:i work with a girl that's taking the mcat to go premed. after texting her a bunch of bullshit about shaming the shit out of her for being such a milquetoast, doomed to live a purgatoric life of simpering simplicity she replied with: "Stop using big words. I went to school for science not English. Thank you."
goddamnit
good thing I'll be dead soon, cause I'm tired of liars winning
i havent been keeping up with what this thread has been doing admittedly but i saw this today and trolled a bookseller and asked if they had it on cd or something and he didn't laugh or smile
As of July 2, the trilogy, starting with "Fifty Shades of Grey," had sold 19.4 million copies in both print and e-book form since its U.S. publication in March. The trilogy ranked first, second and third on The Wall Street Journal's best-seller list published on Saturday.
By comparison, Stieg Larsson's best-selling "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" trilogy took more than three years to reach the 20-million sales mark in the U.S. Those three books were released in the U.S. in 2008, 2009 and 2010
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For much of the spring, the trilogy's author, E. L. James, accounted for one in five adult-fiction physical books sold in the U.S., according to Nielsen BookScan, which tracks 75% of U.S. book retail sales.
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Clandestine Classics is making all the implied sex in such classics as Jane Eyre, Pride & Prejudice and, yes, Sherlock Holmes explicit.
The publisher touts: “The old-fashioned pleasantries and timidity have all been stripped away, quite literally. You didn’t really think that these much-loved characters only held hands and pecked cheeks, did you? Come with us as we embark on a breathtaking experience — behind the closed bedroom doors of our favorite, most-beloved British characters. Learn what Sherlock really thought of Watson, what Mr. Darcy really wanted to do to Miss Elizabeth Bennet, and unveil the sexy escapades of Mr. Rochester and Jane Eyre. We’ll show you the scenes that you always wanted to see but were never allowed.”
The company is releasing reworked versions of five classic novels as ebooks on July 30: Pride & Prejudice, Jane Eyre, Sherlock Holmes: A Study in Scarlet, Northanger Abbey and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (who knew that needed to be sexed up?). [THR]
Here is a scene from Pride & Prejudice that takes the main romance a step further: "Fire blazed in his eyes as he looked down at her and she felt overwhelmed by the possession she saw in their depths -- astounded, but perfectly at ease as though she were right where she needed to be. Her heart pounded as she breathed in the scents around her. The fresh, earthy smell of the forest, the pine trees, the grass beneath their bodies combined with the delicious scent of Darcy. Hot, spicy and all man."
These are sexy novels aimed at straight and gay readers. The new spin on Sherlock Holmes casts the detective and his sidekick John Watson as gay lovers.
Here Watson stumbles on two male lovers in a tryst. "Confusion claimed me for a moment, and my mouth dropped open as I took it all in. The joy of knowing other men were the same as I was quickly eclipsed by the fear that if they were caught it would be the end for them. I was stuck between wanting to step forward and warn them they ought to be more careful and remaining where I was to silently watch."
Dorthea squeels as Don yanks her hair, throwing her down to the ground with force. Her bosom exposed, her face flush. Ferdinand has never treated her like this before. Rocinante neighs as if he approves of this torrid affair.
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so if people base their opinion on BDSM on it, it's not the book's fault. I admit this might sound naive, but I'm still convinced that people should inform themselves if they're interested in a topic. In a similar way, blaming porn produced for (adult) males for teenaged dudes demanding anal sex from their first date is bullshit; you might rather ask why parents hadn't talked to their kids about what sex is/ should really be like.
- I'm a pretty considerate dude (or pushover, depending on my cock's involvement) IRL
