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I think SciAm tends not to spin things much.

Here's the study's abstract:
JAMA. 1997 Feb 12;277(6):472-7.
Dietary fiber, glycemic load, and risk of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus in women.
Salmerón J, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Wing AL, Willett WC.
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Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Mass, USA.

OBJECTIVE:
To examine prospectively the relationship between glycemic diets, low fiber intake, and risk of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

DESIGN:
Cohort study.

SETTING:
In 1986, a total of 65173 US women 40 to 65 years of age and free from diagnosed cardiovascular disease, cancer, and diabetes completed a detailed dietary questionnaire from which we calculated usual intake of total and specific sources of dietary fiber, dietary glycemic index, and glycemic load.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE:
Non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

RESULTS:
During 6 years of follow-up, 915 incident cases of diabetes were documented. The dietary glycemic index was positively associated with risk of diabetes after adjustment for age, body mass index, smoking, physical activity, family history of diabetes, alcohol and cereal fiber intake, and total energy intake. Comparing the highest with the lowest quintile, the relative risk (RR) of diabetes was 1.37 (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.09-1.71, P trend=.005). The glycemic load (an indicator of a global dietary insulin demand) was also positively associated with diabetes (RR= 1.47; 95% CI, 1.16-1.86, P trend=.003). Cereal fiber intake was inversely associated with risk of diabetes when comparing the extreme quintiles (RR=0.72, 95% CI, 0.58-0.90, P trend=.001). The combination of a high glycemic load and a low cereal fiber intake further increased the risk of diabetes (RR=2.50, 95% CI, 1.14-5.51) when compared with a low glycemic load and high cereal fiber intake.

CONCLUSIONS:
Our results support the hypothesis that diets with a high glycemic load and a low cereal fiber content increase risk of diabetes in women. Further, they suggest that grains should be consumed in a minimally refined form to reduce the incidence of diabetes.
Basically a case against processed foods. But 1.4% isn't really knocking my socks off...
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Necrometer wrote:
Zap Rowsdower wrote:would appropriate lab testing desire a similar condition for the test subjects thereby increasing this tightly controlled diet?
nah, I think the idea is "rats get 10 g rat kibble per day" and that's that

assuming the analysis was done correct (and I haven't seen it critiqued) I do think those findings are pretty mysterious
This is not really relevant but I adopted a rat that was being overfed shitty food, and and he was super obese and couldn't get around his cage very well. I switched him to INSANELY cheaper bulk food that is supposedly what is used for lab rats, this basically perfect mix of a bunch of crap and he goes mental for it. Like it literally costs me less than $2 to feed 3 adult rats for a month. Probably more like $1.50 or less. I feed him what I've approximated as the proper amount and within 6 months he's back to a normal weight and can actually hang upside down from his cage when he's feeling fiesty and wants attention.

How anyone doesn't realize that the key to a normal weight is not eating like a retard is beyond me. I exercise because it makes me feel good and let's me hike mountains without wanting to die and drum better and have more energy, not because I think it will make me weigh less. There is very little correlation between exercise and weight loss, other than they are both associated with a healthy lifestyle so people who exercise and enjoy it because its part of their lifestyle are much less likely to be fat.
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canon.docre wrote: There is very little correlation between exercise and weight loss, other than they are both associated with a healthy lifestyle so people who exercise and enjoy it because its part of their lifestyle are much less likely to be fat.
So there is little correlation between exercise and weight loss, but also people who exercise are much less likely to be fat.
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canon.docre wrote:I adopted a rat
You fucking sicken me.
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riley-o wrote:
canon.docre wrote:I adopted a rat
You fucking sicken me.
Ok then man.
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Cryptoplasty wrote:
canon.docre wrote: There is very little correlation between exercise and weight loss, other than they are both associated with a healthy lifestyle so people who exercise and enjoy it because its part of their lifestyle are much less likely to be fat.
So there is little correlation between exercise and weight loss, but also people who exercise are much less likely to be fat.
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So what did you mean? I am still confused and sincerely curious.
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I hope there are several wrong words used in that post.
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I think that what he meant was that the correlation between exercise and weight loss doesn't imply a direct causal link

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I meant that working out doesn't make you lose very much weight.
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Yeth it doeth
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Raw Ting wrote:Yeth it doeth
Not really.
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He's right. Also, driving a car does not cause gasoline combustion.
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canon.docre wrote:
Raw Ting wrote:Yeth it doeth
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Zap Rowsdower wrote:He's right. Also, driving a car does not cause gasoline combustion.
Good analogy.
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You guys are asking for logic from a guy who keeps rats.
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It'd be awesome if he was right. Imagine, humans not being subject to the laws of thermodynamics!
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Nothing wrong with rats, Riley.

Also, it maybe worth mentioning that exercise can vary greatly based on methods, specific work-outs, calories burned, etc., but a good rule of thumb is that it's probably a good idea for most people. It's not like obese people are hopelessly shackled by lard.
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I tend to be the last rat-free guy to jump on the CI/CO train but even I cannot endorse this lunacy...
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My key beef with CI/CO is that you cannot guess with any precision how much energy is used during exercise, or how much energy is actually harvested from a given meal, without being hooked up to a fuckload of science gear. You just might have to annihilate the test subject in a bomb calorimeter to get to the truth. Also, CI/CO is interpreted by lazy people as "eat fewer calories" and then they fail because hunger feels terrible and then they blame science.
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the more I learn about fiber the more I'm anti-orangejuice...
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Idget Child wrote:Nothing wrong with rats, Riley.
No I think guyley is right I should have killed them without prejudice.
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Idget Child wrote:Nothing wrong with rats, Riley.

Also, it maybe worth mentioning that exercise can vary greatly based on methods, specific work-outs, calories burned, etc., but a good rule of thumb is that it's probably a good idea for most people. It's not like obese people are hopelessly shackled by lard.
no one is saying don't exercise. The fact that it literally burns calories is pretty much secondary to every other benefit it provides in my opinion.
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