Scion Rock Fest 2012 - Tampa

[The Torsion]

I saw the name 'Magrudergrind' and I immediately knew they were assholes.

[TF@work]

S C I O N
S + C + I + O + N
19 + 3 + 9 + 15 + 14
60
60 = 12 x 5

H I T L E R
H + I + T + L + E + R
8 + 9 + 20 + 12 + 5 + 18
72
72 = 12 x 6

...or do I have to spell it out for you further...

[Necrometer]

Scion putting on a free show filled with killer bands

two problems in this section alone:
- free shows are worse than shows for which you pay - even people who actually want to see band X cannot be guaranteed to see them without being inconvenienced with a massive wait
- what killer bands? any band that plays one of these shows is - by definition - no longer killer...

[The Torsion]

Weekend Nachos is another band I won't listen to based on name alone.

[Necrometer]

you just choose to accept it and look past it for whatever benefits you want to take from it

oh weird that sounds strangely...

SPOILERSPOILER_SHOW

We have a new EP titled "CRUSHER" coming out on 10" wax and CD. The EP has 6 tracks with guest appearances by Richard Johnson (Agoraphobic Nosebleed/Ex-Enemy Soil) and Dom Romeo (Pulling Teeth).


The record will be released on Nov. 22, 2010 through Scion A/V.This record is completely FREE for anyone in the U.S. and will ...be streamed and available for download for anyone, anywhere. For people outside the U.S., it will be available in the coming months.

Many of you are probably wondering "why would Magrudergrind put out a record with Scion"?

- We decided to take up this offer in order to give out a 100% FREE, high quality record to everyone, at the expense of a Scion. Scion have covered all the costs for studio, manufacturing, etc.

- Over the years, Scion has dished out tons of money to support this scene. They have made it possible, so that we can all attend and play shows, for FREE, that we otherwise wouldn't be able to attend and play.

- What have we got out of this deal that we would have otherwise have worked with a standard label and the standard record label business model? Scion covers all recording and record manufacturing expenses. They have provided YOU with the platform to have a high quality Magrudergrind record for FREE.

- We did not receive any free car, any fat paycheck, but the ability to give every a free record at the expense solely on a big company that may not see any return on their investment. Who really wins here?

- If Scion covers the expenses of this record and say no one buys their product, who really gains? Us and every single person who got a Magrudergrind record for free.

- In the United States, we do not have wide scaled financial support from the government and industry players as they do elsewhere, for music and arts. We rather a company support music and arts, rather then spend their marketing campaign money on a stupid illuminated eyesore billboard. Everyone, especially in the hc/punk scene has a mind of their own and the agency to make their own consumption decisions. We are not going to, nor do we have the ability to force some kid to decide their purchase decisions. We all are exposed to advertisements and purchase decisions everyday. Even when we decide to buy some band t-shirt or a vinyl record (which has used energy and resources in the manufacturing process), it is up to the individual to make that choice.

- Regarding DIY and our ethical standpoint. We have always been, always will be and currently are very deeply involved in the band processes and the scene we are involved with. This includes our hand-on approach to our music, records, artwork, booking, merchandise, mail-order, etc. We have booked countless tours ourselves with the band, since we we're 17 years old, in the US, Europe and Asia. We have brought over and booked the tours, completely DIY, spending endless hours of work, to bring over many grindcore bands from Europe and Japan. We still take care of all the day-to-day tasks of this band and would not have it any other way. If anyone is questioning our involvement in the DIY scene, look at our hands on approach to everything involved with the band.

xworkxthexsystemx

[fallbacktostone]

no idea if you expect me to read whatever that is. i'm going to trust it proves whatever point you're making though

oxbow is the shit and they could play the superbowl and i'd still shake my tits. don't give a fuck. i was even disppointed with narcotic story. don't care.

[fallbacktostone]

and what exactly does merzbow have to prove to the world at this point?

[Necrometer]

just wait 'til ___bow are each playing at different venues at the same time

[riley-o]

i was even disppointed with narcotic story.

[fallbacktostone]

just wait 'til ___bow are each playing at different venues at the same time

i don't doubt that either

being disappointed in your show going experience because theres a million and a half bands doesn't prove anything about integrity other than that the band is willing to play what amounts to a corporate sponsored festival

[fallbacktostone]

i was even disppointed with narcotic story.

the middle was really boring!

i mean really boring

[Mooretician]

- what killer bands? any band that plays one of these shows is - by definition - no longer killer...

Maybe I can't tell if you are being intentionally antagonistic but Jesus fuck this is stupid

[fallbacktostone]

man imagine what kind of person would hold the music and ideas of margrudergrind in such high ethical poltical esteem to be offended

[riley-o]

i was even disppointed with narcotic story.

the middle was really boring!

i mean really boring

[Necrometer]

[fallbacktostone]

ross is winning

[postaddiction]

I'd take some of that Scion money and make me a record. Play me a festival. I'd wear a coat of Toyota logos on stage for a steady supply of Cialis. I'd get Scion to tattoo a Scion logo on my navel if they hooked me up on a blind date with a hot chick and a sweet Scion rental to take her around in.

[doubleblumpkin]

anyone who attends this farce should feel ashamed

Shut up faggot. People need to stop putting personalities before principles here, it's a free show with at least a few really good bands that most of us would pay to see. Get off your smug Berkeley horse and be a fan of music once more, not the bullshit that gets in the way of you enjoying it.

[Necrometer]

does this mean a BtM EP is just around the corner?

[fallbacktostone]

i dont know. ross is right guys. being at shows like this is awful. this will be worse because theres a couple bands i'd actually like to see. it's going to be like hanging out in disney world in the summer. only with stupider people..

[doubleblumpkin]

does this mean a BtM EP is just around the corner?

I hope. We've done everything 100% DIY. Everything we've accomplished has been, every single penny, out of our pocket. If they offered us a couple thousand dollars to make an EP no strings attached except a Scion logo, I'd gladly let somebody else take the load for a few months. Not many bands can proudly state that everything they've accomplished, they've accomplished themselves through hard work and perseverance. Making one EP or playing one free show takes away all that credibility? Nope.

[fallbacktostone]

[fallbacktostone]

wait just a second

so whats this about ep's? you have to record for scion if you take the money for that fest??

[doubleblumpkin]

No, Ross is just being his usual condescending prick self.

[Necrometer]

apparently these threads will always be LA ethos vs. the world