The Pigs

[riley-o]

Some cops are shitheads, but most aren't. Some black people are shitheads, but most aren't. There is definitely a socioeconomic/systemic problem that puts black people at a greater risk of finding themselves in a dangerous confrontation with the law, and it's an issue that needs to be addressed, but that does not absolve them from all responsibility nor does it mean the police should handle the situation any differently than if it were a more privileged human.

The problem with statements like this is that it's not an even playing field. Some black people are shitty, so as a result many black people are executed by police. Some cops are shitty, so what happens ? They don't even lose their jobs. They're almost never found guilty of wrongdoing, on the rare occasion they're even investigated.

And the statement that black people (and Native people here in Canada) shouldn't be treated any differently than more privileged people is the entire crux of the argument -- they ARE treated differently. I agree that if you commit a crime it needs to be addressed, but we need to address first and foremost the things that are causing people to be criminals, which include black/native youth being much more likely to be raised in poor, underprivileged communities; being much more likely to end up in the youth prison system for the same crimes as white youth; and being the target of police profiling.

But yeah, go ahead and lump us in with the Eriks and Meatgreases of the world who are saying that it's a simply the result of the evil criminal genetic make-up of the blacks. These fucking morons on par with phrenologists and homeopaths.

[FVBTVS]

getting road head as we speak.

[MeatGrease]

, but we need to address first and foremost the things that are causing people to be criminals, which include black/native youth being much more likely to be raised in poor, underprivileged communities; being much more likely to end up in the youth prison system for the same crimes as white youth; and being the target of police profiling.

But yeah, go ahead and lump us in with the Eriks and Meatgreases of the world who are saying that it's a simply the result of the evil criminal genetic make-up of the blacks. These fucking morons on par with phrenologists and homeopaths.

there it is again. Hey bro, do you have any proof that having a low income directly causes criminality? Because I would love to see some hard data on that. Really, I would, since no one else has ever been able to produce such evidence, so you must have some insider information that's being kept hidden from the rest of the world for some reason.

Ironically, bringing statistical evidence, facts, puts you in league with phrenologists. But making ridiculous unjustifiable claims without proof is totally legitimate Like that blacks are frequently arrested for no reason whatsoever. They're just put in jail for the crime of being black

By the way, is this the kind of shit Joe Rogan pushes? Because I don't think so...

[Joe Buck]

Riley...do you have crime ridden neighborhoods full of black people where you live?

Do you really think you're better than the negros? You've worked 20 years at a job humping beer kegs around. Where's your kids mom? What other jobs have you had in your life? Would you call a black person a nigger to their face? Shut the fuck up.

Don't you work at a call center that gives out used gifts?

Joe B.

[Cascade Whore]

getting road head as we speak.

Seriously though both sides of this are fucking stupid. No-one's interested at all in actually having a conversation about what maybe put the police or the black person in the precarious position they found themselves in, all they want to do is make stupid points from their soapbox "ALL COPS R ROIDED UP JOCKS LETS LAUGH WHEN THEY DIE" or "DUMB FUCKIN NIGGERS GETTIN WHAT THEY DESERVE" backed up with some stupid cherry-picked stat and glossing over the fact that every single arrest is deeply nuanced and deserves to be spoken to individually. Sometimes the cop fucked up and should be punished to the full extent of the law... sometimes the citizen fucked up and deserved to be shot dead (not sorry if that offends you.) What each did in any specific encounter should have zero bearing on how you feel about the whole. Without doing that you're just mud slinging and doing nothing but further polarize the discussion and no-one gets ahead.

Some cops are shitheads, but most aren't. Some black people are shitheads, but most aren't. There is definitely a socioeconomic/systemic problem that puts black people at a greater risk of finding themselves in a dangerous confrontation with the law, and it's an issue that needs to be addressed, but that does not absolve them from all responsibility nor does it mean the police should handle the situation any differently than if it were a more privileged human.

So basically fuck all of you retards, but Cascade Whore especially for breaking his promise.

I was asked to post again. But I really didn't want to get sucked into more of these same stupid fucking arguments over and over again. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

[Cascade Whore]

Riley...do you have crime ridden neighborhoods full of black people where you live?

Do you really think you're better than the negros? You've worked 20 years at a job humping beer kegs around. Where's your kids mom? What other jobs have you had in your life? Would you call a black person a nigger to their face? Shut the fuck up.

Don't you work at a call center that gives out used gifts?

Joe B.

I work at churro stand

[MeatGrease]

Only a fundamental dummy would draw an equivalence between working an honest job and the out of control chimping of blacks.

[Cascade Whore]

You can say this is true without a shadow of a doubt? While assuring me that tim wise is a fraud? There could be no bias what so ever in the FBIs figures, not to mention the extremely complicated analysis of what raw numbers actually mean. Do you also believe everything the CIA says as well?

If the government was cooking the numbers in any direction, it would be to make blacks look less criminal than they actually are, as is the case in most white countries with their respective pet browns. "Obama's Sons" and whatnot.

I can throw out statistics out all day too. Such as black men being an astonishing 20 times more likely to be killed by a police officer. Even if you believe blacks are animalistic and savage and vile are they really 20 times worse then whites?

If blacks were really 20 times more likely to be killed than a white person (which isn't true), it would be because they are 50 times more likely to commit a violent crime and shoot at police(which is actually much closer to the truth). The argument is over. I already posted all the relevant evidence in this thread. Can you get that through your fat head? There is literally no evidence besides the word of blacks that they are unfairly victimized by police. All of the research shows that blacks do the time because they do the crime. In fact, they are arrested, jailed, and shot at numbers well below their proportional rates of criminality.

The truth is that, given the sheer volume of their criminality, blacks commit crime with relative impunity. There are vast swaths of black territory that are unpoliced due to the fact the community there is virtually 100% criminal element. That's fucking blacks for you.

You assure that I'm idiot working in a call center while someone like toilet fleet who has infinitely more knowledge in statistical analysis then you could ever possible achieve is "an over paid Jew"

It would take nothing less than statistical revisionism to get an outcome in which blacks were not disturbingly criminal. Furthermore, I don't think TF is a Jew, because he isn't

I do think he has sucked a lot of circumcised dick to get where he is though

The worst past is that I'm a miserable person while you are actual content with who you are. You actually believe you are some kind of crusader for truth when you are a truly truly disgusting thing

I should have ever came back here.

And here is the crux of the issue. You are miserable because you turn away from the truth. As a white man, what do you have to look forward to besides your own gradual displacement? You have no place in this future our masters have planned for us. Your role is to sit down, shut up, and aid the removal of white males from power. The implication is that you should all but kill yourself to do the right thing. This trepidation is the underlying source of misery that is so widespread in the modern era. You're just too much of a coward to confront this ugly truth.

You've convinced me with so much truth. white Pride world wide. 1488

[hipster holocaust]

Oh, come on. You've got more than that...

[Cascade Whore]

Oh, come on. You've got more than that...

What's the point? I was supposed to fuck off anyway.

One thing that's strange about meatgrease is he will tell us how horrible brown people are but doesn't get into why he believed they are. As in does he actually believe in genetic inferiority, phrenology, ect. He's really skidish on saying that kind of shit.

[MeatGrease]

Simply because there isn't any one cause of anything. There's a confluence of factors at play. Genetic determinism is among the most prominent, sure, but it's not the only one. I have no idea why you insist on making it entirely one thing or the other.

[MeatGrease]

I would say population averages of IQ are strongly correlated with a variety of outcomes. There's some nurture in there too though.

[riley-o]

Like that blacks are frequently arrested for no reason whatsoever. They're just put in jail for the crime of being black

Still have never once said this no matter how many times you claim I have you fucking caricature

[hipster holocaust]

IQ tests are in NO WAY ethnocentric...

[MeatGrease]

Jesus Christ Racialist13, you see those statistics as evidence of black people being prone to crime and not an indictment of an entire system that funnels them into prisons. Stick to eating hamburgers dude.

So then what is the fucking conclusion we are supposed to draw from this? You are effectively arguing that blacks are otherwise peaceful until their hands are moved by hostile outside forces. They are just being "funneled" into prison??? For what reason????

You literally said one of the dumbest things a person could say and now you're trying to back pedal out of it. Don't blame me for making such a stupidly hamfisted argument.

[MeatGrease]

IQ tests are in NO WAY ethnocentric...

It's not though! Did you think you were the first person to think of this? They are intentionally designed to remove cultural bias. Furthermore, this still could not explain the disparity between blacks and whites (or asians) in the United States, where both groups have the advantage of being born into the same culture.

It's not "ethnocentric" because you don't like the results.

[Cascade Whore]

IQ tests are in NO WAY ethnocentric...

It's not though! Did you think you were the first person to think of this? They are intentionally designed to remove cultural bias. Furthermore, this still could not explain the disparity between blacks and whites (or asians) in the United States, where both groups have the advantage of being born into the same culture.

It's not "ethnocentric" because you don't like the results.

You're right, Asians are superior to whites in many ways.

[Cascade Whore]

Jesus Christ Racialist13, you see those statistics as evidence of black people being prone to crime and not an indictment of an entire system that funnels them into prisons. Stick to eating hamburgers dude.

So then what is the fucking conclusion we are supposed to draw from this? You are effectively arguing that blacks are otherwise peaceful until their hands are moved by hostile outside forces. They are just being "funneled" into prison??? For what reason????

You literally said one of the dumbest things a person could say and now you're trying to back pedal out of it. Don't blame me for making such a stupidly hamfisted argument.

Then there this, something you seem to have repeatedly ignored

http://www.drugpolicy.org/race-and-drug-war

Are these more statistics that you'll just claim "aren't true"? Only you can quote statistics right? You sound like my grandmothers 88 year old 4th husband

[Cascade Whore]

Meatgrease do you know the percentages of whites that are child molesters? Or distributors of child pornography? Or serial killers?

[the awesome Assassin]

Cascade Whore, won a free t-shirt selling cell phone plans... Good job buddy...

[riley-o]

Jesus Christ Racialist13, you see those statistics as evidence of black people being prone to crime and not an indictment of an entire system that funnels them into prisons. Stick to eating hamburgers dude.

So then what is the fucking conclusion we are supposed to draw from this? You are effectively arguing that blacks are otherwise peaceful until their hands are moved by hostile outside forces. They are just being "funneled" into prison??? For what reason????

You literally said one of the dumbest things a person could say and now you're trying to back pedal out of it. Don't blame me for making such a stupidly hamfisted argument.

You're so dumb that you're incapable of understanding distinctions and then blame the person you're misunderstanding for your own lack of reading comprehension ? I'm shocked that you're so fucking stupid based on all the evidence so far ! I really am !

[Cascade Whore]

Jesus Christ Racialist13, you see those statistics as evidence of black people being prone to crime and not an indictment of an entire system that funnels them into prisons. Stick to eating hamburgers dude.

So then what is the fucking conclusion we are supposed to draw from this? You are effectively arguing that blacks are otherwise peaceful until their hands are moved by hostile outside forces. They are just being "funneled" into prison??? For what reason????

You literally said one of the dumbest things a person could say and now you're trying to back pedal out of it. Don't blame me for making such a stupidly hamfisted argument.

You're so dumb that you're incapable of understanding distinctions and then blame the person you're misunderstanding for your own lack of reading comprehension ? I'm shocked that you're so fucking stupid based on all the evidence so far ! I really am !

Meatgrease: a man who thinks that white Christian males are an oppressed group

Eric: thinks blacks are never harassed by cops for no reason

[Black Jacques]

Some cops are shitheads, but most aren't. Some black people are shitheads, but most aren't. There is definitely a socioeconomic/systemic problem that puts black people at a greater risk of finding themselves in a dangerous confrontation with the law, and it's an issue that needs to be addressed, but that does not absolve them from all responsibility nor does it mean the police should handle the situation any differently than if it were a more privileged human.

The problem with statements like this is that it's not an even playing field. Some black people are shitty, so as a result many black people are executed by police. Some cops are shitty, so what happens ? They don't even lose their jobs. They're almost never found guilty of wrongdoing, on the rare occasion they're even investigated.

And the statement that black people (and Native people here in Canada) shouldn't be treated any differently than more privileged people is the entire crux of the argument -- they ARE treated differently. I agree that if you commit a crime it needs to be addressed, but we need to address first and foremost the things that are causing people to be criminals, which include black/native youth being much more likely to be raised in poor, underprivileged communities; being much more likely to end up in the youth prison system for the same crimes as white youth; and being the target of police profiling.

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Well I'm glad we agree that there's a systemic problem that puts First Nations/black people at a greater risk of being in trouble with the law... But how does that translate down to the policing level, which is the point of this thread? Should an officer have two guide books to "level the playing field"? Procedure on how to handle two different criminals based on their priviledge? Like, if a white person reaches for your firearm, get to it first and eliminate the threat... But if it's a First Nations person, allow them to get the gun and possibly end your life because as a society we've given others an unfair advantage?

Or on what basis can you say that FN are treated differently than whites in Canada without bringing up some inverse-meatgrease stat that ignores the details of arrest? Or glosses over the fact that those people are probably less likely to be able to afford proper counsel and spend time in jail? Maybe you have some other anecdotal evidence from your friends in Winnipeg? If that's the case we should really compare notes. I've got many from friends who've called the police to their homes who when push comes to shove are too afraid to press charges on their boyfriends out of fear for their lives. These are literally the pieces of shit you're defending and for the fucking life of me I can't figure out why.

[Cascade Whore]

...how does that translate down to the policing level, which is the point of this thread? Should an officer have two guide books to "level the playing field"? Procedure on how to handle two different criminals based on their priviledge? Like, if a white person reaches for your firearm, get to it first and eliminate the threat... But if it's a First Nations person, allow them to get the gun and possibly end your life because as a society we've given others an unfair advantage?

How do you think this is remotely what is being said? The entire point is to NOT have a different guide book. You may be unaware of how bad things in the united states actually are in some parts of the nation. What is being asked is for minorities to not be targeted, profiled, accosted, and killed, at HIGHER levels, just because they are non white. No one is asking about having "special rights" given to suspects that are black.

[MeatGrease]

Jesus Christ Racialist13, you see those statistics as evidence of black people being prone to crime and not an indictment of an entire system that funnels them into prisons. Stick to eating hamburgers dude.

So then what is the fucking conclusion we are supposed to draw from this? You are effectively arguing that blacks are otherwise peaceful until their hands are moved by hostile outside forces. They are just being "funneled" into prison??? For what reason????

You literally said one of the dumbest things a person could say and now you're trying to back pedal out of it. Don't blame me for making such a stupidly hamfisted argument.

You're so dumb that you're incapable of understanding distinctions and then blame the person you're misunderstanding for your own lack of reading comprehension ? I'm shocked that you're so fucking stupid based on all the evidence so far ! I really am !

So...no accountability for your blunders then....

I'm being very generous and giving you an opportunity to quantify your statement

You said blacks were "funneled into prisons" and that the statistics on their rates of offense were an indictment of "the system"...not blacks themselves

So I'm giving you an opportunity to redeem yourself. For what reason are blacks "funneled" into prison???? Why are blacks disproportionately incarcerated????