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do people still put Kind of Blue, as one of their top 10 albums of all time? I remember seeing this as frequently as Nespithe some years back,

now we're talkin...

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That was so good it makes me want to quit my job and play drums for the rest of my life.

noah thirteen wrote:I've realized Mingus does absolutely nothing for me.

Dude what the fuck ?

This is probably my favorite jazz album. Ahmed Abdul Malik brings it.



(even though thats one of the weaker tracks on the album )

noah thirteen wrote:

GoreyGibbler wrote:

noah thirteen wrote:I've realized Mingus does absolutely nothing for me.

Dude what the fuck ?

Yeah I hear you man, I've tried Mingus Dynasty, Black Saint, Ah Um, Tijuana Moods - I can get into Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus and Mingus Plays Piano and of course Jazz At Massey Hall and Money Jungle, but him as a band leader I don't have as much appreciation for.... just preference, no hate......

Noah, I'm sure you know all this but I feel like extrapolating. Mingus is a bit of an odd bird (though not nearly as odd as Thelonious!) Ah Um is way overrated and Black Saint is beautiful but sterile. Dynasty and Tijuana are great but they are idiosyncratic. It's cool you like Money Jungle, I think you should keep trying especially if you like Dolphy. Mingus has a lot to offer, a very peculiar demented genius is present in everything he touched. I'd particularly recommend Pithecanthropus Erectus which was his first legendary album and is something he never topped. It's caveman jazz! It's fundamental to understanding him and worth a look even if you're not very interested.

Mingus was firmly anti-avant garde. He even put on a concert at one point with musicians behind curtains playing free jazz and then after a little while lifted the curtains and revealed that it was little kids fucking around with instruments. This is important to take into account, he was a crusader who wanted to keep the tradition alive.

He's completely working in the tradition, but at the same time subverting it because his music is much looser and more improvised than any trad jazz. I like his music because everything is supremely melodic. I often can't tell the solos from the written melodies. And what melodies!! The most important factor, IMO, is his bass playing which is very busy and aggressive but incredibly articulated. His playing reminds me of a human voice. The problem is he's often mixed too low and the less important things (to his particular music) get the spotlight. His music is not for listening to soloists, it's ensemble music. I like the Antibes concert best because he gets his own channel and he's louder than everyone else so you can really hear what he's doing and why. Everyone in the band is following his lead.

Do you like Monk? Monk's forms seem more traditional but he plays those whole tones and stuttering dotted notes that are completely out of this world. I had a hard time with Monk. I had to get the jazz icon dvd before it finally clicked in a big way. He's so far ahead of everyone, he's like a dude from the future.

I've been known to put on a Shubert album or two...

altars of radness wrote:My two month obsession with jazz is seriously fucking me up -- my sleep, my speech, my ability to finish sentencYou're welcome to suffer along:

This record has blown me away every time I've listened to it. Definitely one of my faves from 2011. Peter Evans Quartet. I can't find my favorite songs on Youtube, but this is still beautiful as fuck.

reminds me of Hey Arnold!

Was intruduced to Bob Dorough about 12 years ago. love it. Don't know much piano jazz, but for my money, this ugly old fuck is the shit...



If you are listening to this with me over dinner, you're likely going to be taking it up the ass for dessert....

speaking of piano jazz

I like jazz that makes me go Chet Baker usually. But not as up on the jazzy as I'd like to be.

This shit rules!

Would just like to offer moral support to this thread. Apart from all the horn/piano love going around, would just like to strongly recommend Les Doigts de L'Homme for Manouche swing delights.









Birelli Legrene


Brielli @ 12 years old -



The Rosenberg Trio
- This is from the Live at the North Sea Jazz festival in 94 - stunning

Obviosly pretty entry level stuff, but I cant recommend Return to Forever Enough. Chick Corea, Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke, Lenny White. How could you have a better line-up?

Time to ramp this bitch up again.

Blues and the Abstract Truth was one of the things that kept me sane during a really shitty bus ride in India a couple weeks ago. It was the first time I had listened to it. It's pretty fucking nice.

New Mingus box set. Here's a full, post-Dolphy concert from it:



Also, David S. Ware kicked it a few days ago. Was never a huge fan, but I've listened to this set he did with Rashied Ali a bunch over the last year or so:

Thelonious Monk has been rocking my homework headphones for a few months now. Duke Ellington and Coltrane have been accompanying him.

Then post some shit, man. Don't use up all your effort talking about Pig Destroyer.

space is the place. kunts...

Try this one on for size, you pussy.

fuck yeah, Coleman.

I've been listening to a bunch of Bill Dixon and Rahsaan Roland Kirk.


Tony Oxley is the shit. Have to think Eli Keszler takes a lot from his school of drumming.





and then there's this... a mini-doc with John Cage and Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Called "Sound??"