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Necrometer wrote:you realize that the grieved party here are the people whose ancestors were native to this land and subjected to displacement and genocide, right? that really doesn't turn on a light bulb in your brain?

The Redskins logo/name is not an act of genocide. It isn't even an active expression of hate, it's only perceived as one because of oldetymes/culture context imo - but let's just assume that it is. Let's just give you that and say from here on out that the name 'Redskins' actually means "Native Americans are Cunts".

Why is it OK to wear a shirt that says JESUS IS A CUNT but not NATIVE AMERICANS ARE CUNTS?

Are they both expressions of hate, or is only one of them an expression of hate?

Doesn't most death metal, black metal etc deal in expressions of hate? Is it not possible to allow these things to exist without assuming that they will all contribute to real-wolrd evil?

How can you even make these constant arguments in favor of censorship and cultural repression given your passion for extreme metal? How do you not see the obvious insanity there?

Why should some symbols, images, words and thoughts be branded as nu-taboo but not others? Who is best qualified to control the practice of human communication, and why is it always you?

Zerohero wrote:

Necrometer wrote:

The Torsion wrote:I hope they change the mascot, colors, whole nine yards to something that has absolutely nothing to do with American Indians. What these strident douchebags don't acknowledge is that the name and mascot were in admiration of the Indians, not as a joke at their expense. My ancestors were shooting Indians from the Shenandoah to the Missouri. You wanna hate white people? Don't blame you. But playing to white guilt bullshit and enlisting the services of shyster fucks to effectively just annoy some football fans who thought the name was a compliment and give some twitterfags and various other weak whites something to set themselves apart from the proles (or their dads) is just playing the most shameful version of the game. Which is why I guess most of this was coming from largely assimililated tribal groups from the Eastern Seaboard.

Good point dude. I always make sure to go the extra mile and tell black people how proud I am that they bring big cocks, basketball talent, and rhythm to our great nation.

I have no problem bringing up hoop talk, or music talk with THE BLACKS. And ya know what, usually we just wind up talking, they don't get offended. True Fact: name of our most historical jazz joint here: The Colored Musicians Clun. Ain't needed to change no stinking name. And Whitey IS not only allowed but more than a few times I hung out in the bar and no one really acts like its any big fucking deal. And I think thats cool.

http://www.coloredmusiciansclub.org/

But I'm more often talking hoops and football (and hockey!) with the black security guard at the bank.

I don't really bring up big cocks, since its not really one of my hobbies.

Remember the TREND of "African American"...which is a BULLSHIT inaccurate race name because not everyone with a dark skin originated from the continent of africa. So -- BLACK meant dark skin tone, and the word did its job. BUT OH NOEEESSSSSSS DAS RACISSS because it makes note of color of skin pigmentation. Most BLACKS I don't believe are offended by the WORD black.
I have a hunch it was white professors that started the whole african american thing... and I resent that in conversation I have to debate whether to use "African american" or "Black" when speaking about the issue with THE BLACKS. I usually opt for BLACk. why? I just feel more comfortable with it, they no what I mean, and I feel like ASSUMING everyone with dark skin comes from fucking AFRiCA is as much an asshole assumption as thinking they can dunk a basketball or steal a hubcap.


RED skin is just another name based on skin color.

Well said. They won't get it though. Media and liberals have trained them to be obedient little cocks.

I still refer to them as colored since that's what my parents said.

for some reason i don't think the JESUS IS A CUNT football team would gain much traction in the NFL

seeing some of you try to tease out the intangible nuances of this whole thing is mortifying and awesome. best thread since that cunt maya angelou died..

FVBTVS wrote: seeing some of you try to tease out the intangible nuances of this whole thing is mortifying and awesome.

There's nothing funnier than white people madly jabbering away as they're trying to explain to everyone else what does and doesn't constitute a racial slur. Next ZH's going to type up a treatise on his feelings about being called a cracker... by his "black friends".

Anyway, apparently the Merriam-Webster dictionary is now part of a libruhl consperacuh because it says "redskin" is "usually offensive."

FVBTVS wrote:for some reason i don't think the JESUS IS A CUNT football team would gain much traction in the NFL

Honestly I don't know much about football. You might be right. I'll say though, that I'd rather live in a world where the Superbowl halftime show was Profantatnticnanica ejaculating onto various holy scriptures while Oprah comes out and gives everyone their own copy of 50 Shades of Grey and a tiny bottled reproduction of Piss Christ than the sterilized, childproofed, repressed Nerf-universe these people are trying to create...

No intangibles. I'm just right.

no but you made me laugh like twice.

ok three times because just pointing to yourself and saying you're right is really funny too.

spacehamster wrote:

FVBTVS wrote: seeing some of you try to tease out the intangible nuances of this whole thing is mortifying and awesome.

There's nothing funnier than white people madly jabbering away as they're trying to explain to everyone else what does and doesn't constitute a racial slur. Next ZH's going to type up a treatise on his feelings about being called a cracker... by his "black friends".

Anyway, apparently the Merriam-Webster dictionary is now part of a libruhl consperacuh because it says "redskin" is "usually offensive."

I've never been called a cracker and never called anyone a nigger. just doesn't come up in conversation much.

Just looked up local classic rock cover band Red Rhythm---they still have same name, playing the casino bar tommrorrow in fact.... all just so happen to be native american (they use to play at bar around the corner from where I lived). I suppose "RED" just refers to a random color, since BLACK sabbath, BLUE oyster Cult and ORANGE Goblin were already taken. But I dunno, maybe the thought police should lecture those infidels on promoted negative native stereotypes for using such an offensive color based name..

I can respect a SWISS dude has his mind made up 100% about American race relations and linguistics and professional sports and trademarking. We are all entited to our opinions.

Only thing offending me is assuming I have to come to the exact same conclusion as you, or else I'm a raving lunatic or giant ass racist.

FVBTVS wrote:for some reason i don't think the JESUS IS A CUNT football team would gain much traction in the NFL

seeing some of you try to tease out the intangible nuances of this whole thing is mortifying and awesome. best thread since that cunt maya angelou died..

True... Jesus is a Cunt wouldn't gain traction in the NFL, but it clearly earns some traction and $$ in the underground metal scene of the 90s.

I have hunch folks that have been football fans for decades (myself included) are MUCH LESS likely to be in an uproar over the Redskin franchise. And folks from the extreme metal scene (though probably will volunteer Cradle of Filth are "FAGGS") aren't as likely to get in an uproar.

Folks that frequent comedy clubs won't likely be offended by the F word.

Its bullshit for folks OUTSIDE their own scene to make giant assed judgements of whats right for those inside it. Its not their fucking business.

Football clearly has a much wider arc and appeal to the masses than brutal death metal-- but it still has its own demographic, and ultimately they should drive the name stay or change.

How soon we forget the Tampa Bay Devil Rays had to change there name because the bible belt deemed DEVIL as TOOO satanic. But I suppose the market spoke and their merch sales went down. (ok, I don't think anyone watches the Rays good or bad so maybe I'm making shit up..)

If the demographic Redskins is appealing to or offending stops going to game and buying shit, mabye they think about it. but let the free market work that shit out on it's own. It is a pretty good looking logo, IMO. And no I'm not a redskin fan... Though I'm and Indians fan in hardball..


I don't think a single one of you would be making the argument that extreme metal should be banned for anti christian lyrics, even though PROBABLY more christians would be offended by the "kill kill kill jesus christ" and "fuck jesus up the ass" (real lyrics by the way) than the percentage of natives offended by redskins.

I do it every day. Works.

thread is evidence of how crucial a good cultural PR team is in ensuring fawning in the wake of your people's genocide/displacement

kike SHOULD BE a million times less powerful than Wahoo - jews run a disproportionate amount of shit yet they somehow get to sit there with a straight face and talk about how offensive it is to be called some fucking comedically harmless slur

The Torsion wrote:I'm just right.

you're just perfect

Necrometer wrote:thread is evidence of how crucial a good cultural PR team is in ensuring fawning in the wake of your people's genocide/displacement

kike SHOULD BE a million times less powerful than Wahoo - jews run a disproportionate amount of shit yet they somehow get to sit there with a straight face and talk about how offensive it is to be called some fucking comedically harmless slur

probably true actually...

you have no sense of what it means to be offended by anything because you have never experienced systematic oppression and you're not too great at empathy

The Washington Cherokee Pro-Confederate Slave-Owners

The Washington Shoshone Pawnee and Creek Scouts Who Helped The White Man

The Washington Lakota Sioux Who Were a Bunch of Assholes

Necrometer wrote:you have no sense of what it means to be offended by anything because you have never experienced systematic oppression and you're not too great at empathy

Hahhahaha the broken autistic nerdbot is lecturing someone on empathy.

Cryptoplasty wrote:I'm not talking about tradition, I'm talking about the average non-lawyer guy not thinking twice about the name for 40 years and now and suddenly it's a huge deal and Dan Snyder should be killed. Hence, internet hive mind.

Holy fuck. How is this a logical argument for ANYTHING??? Things change, opinions change. A lot of shit was different 40 years ago.

Necrometer wrote:you have no sense of what it means to be offended by anything because you have never experienced systematic oppression and you're not too great at empathy

I have never seen you indicate any faculty for empathy or compassion whatsoever. You view other humans in terms of utility and capability - weakness and infirmity are character flaws in your eyes, as far as I have ever been able to tell. I absolutely do not believe that you have had some "last five minutes of how the Grinch stole Christmas" miracle conversion towards team has-a-soul; you're just a late-blooming political crank, and you're choking this board to death by using it as a venue to stage pointless little passion plays for your mental fixation. I think you're a fucking nut, and I wish you would just start a blog or go to a place with a bigger (willing) audience like Reddit or the comments section on a Gawker hydra-head. You are Amelia now.

spacehamster wrote:

pooptastik wrote:i want the THE FLUSHING FISHLIPS

Meh. I already did a blackface one. I was thinking Osaka Roundeyes, actually.

Pooptastik is full of it anyway. We all know he's a Hampton Hooknose fan.

james wrote:

Necrometer wrote:you have no sense of what it means to be offended by anything because you have never experienced systematic oppression and you're not too great at empathy

I have never seen you indicate any faculty for empathy or compassion whatsoever. You view other humans in terms of utility and capability - weakness and infirmity are character flaws in your eyes, as far as I have ever been able to tell. I absolutely do not believe that you have had some "last five minutes of how the Grinch stole Christmas" miracle conversion towards team has-a-soul; you're just a late-blooming political crank, and you're choking this board to death by using it as a venue to stage pointless little passion plays for your mental fixation. I think you're a fucking nut, and I wish you would just start a blog or go to a place with a bigger (willing) audience like Reddit or the comments section on a Gawker hydra-head. You are Amelia now.

Is that just a joke y/n?

james wrote:

Necrometer wrote:you have no sense of what it means to be offended by anything because you have never experienced systematic oppression and you're not too great at empathy

I have never seen you indicate any faculty for empathy or compassion whatsoever. You view other humans in terms of utility and capability - weakness and infirmity are character flaws in your eyes, as far as I have ever been able to tell. I absolutely do not believe that you have had some "last five minutes of how the Grinch stole Christmas" miracle conversion towards team has-a-soul; you're just a late-blooming political crank, and you're choking this board to death by using it as a venue to stage pointless little passion plays for your mental fixation. I think you're a fucking nut, and I wish you would just start a blog or go to a place with a bigger (willing) audience like Reddit or the comments section on a Gawker hydra-head. You are Amelia now.

Backed hard

Zerohero wrote: Only thing offending me is assuming I have to come to the exact same conclusion as you, or else I'm a raving lunatic or giant ass racist.

Nobody said anything of the sort. Although you're not helping your case with your little "I know five Injuns who call themselves 'red', so redskins forever ceases to be a slur for anybody and everybody and fuck what the dickshermarmy says" argument here.

By the way, since nobody seems to be willing to address it, the reason "Jesus is a cunt" on a t-shirt isn't the same thing as "fuck them niggers" is because Christianity is a dominant ideology in Western culture and criticizing it isn't an act of oppression. That said, I think those shirts are fucking stupid and I don't think nice old church-going ladies can or need to be offended into converting to atheism. But comparing that to racism is fucking retarded.

i know 3 full blooded Mohawk dudes and they don't think its cool

5 to 3

i need 3 more and we can just lock the thread

they go to the meetups and everything

spacehamster wrote:

Zerohero wrote: Only thing offending me is assuming I have to come to the exact same conclusion as you, or else I'm a raving lunatic or giant ass racist.

Nobody said anything of the sort. Although you're not helping your case with your little "I know five Injuns who call themselves 'red', so redskins forever ceases to be a slur for anybody and everybody and fuck what the dickshermarmy says" argument here.

By the way, since nobody seems to be willing to address it, the reason "Jesus is a cunt" on a t-shirt isn't the same thing as "fuck them niggers" is because Christianity is a dominant ideology in Western culture and criticizing it isn't an act of oppression. That said, I think those shirts are fucking stupid and I don't think nice old church-going ladies can or need to be offended into converting to atheism. But comparing that to racism is fucking retarded.

you wouldn't know this, but no one ever says redskins ever .. I can't recall anyone ever saying this "slur" in any way beyond refering to the Washington Redskins. and the University of Miami Ohio Redskins who have pussed out to PC world and are now the Red Hawks... which sounds like an injun word too.

people do say NIGGER.. like "FUCK YOU NIGGER" no one says FUCK YOU REDSKIN or YOU DUMB ASS REDSKIN FUCK OFF. I never heard it.

ergo is a slur never uttered actually a slur?

"criticizing christianity isn't oppressing people because its a dominant religious idiology" wtf??
point is it might "offend someone" not It might OPPRESS someone.

you need to stick to parroty threads my friend.