'Great' books you could do without

Music posts are a bannable offense.
SOHC 1971

Jack Kerouac. On the Road was just a fucking rambling, run-on sentence. Yeah, it's his style. I don't like it.
User avatar
Chevalier Mal Fet
O.G. Interwebber
Posts: 4652
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:02 pm
Location: Jersey City, NJ
Contact:

Faulkner always sits badly with me too, I've given up after multiple attempts. Joyce's Ulysses is my literary kryptonite though. I know its supposed to be soooo amazing and I've started it like a hundred times but the dialect is just so thick that I get no enjoyment out of reading it, it takes me like 30 minutes to understand that a character said 'hello'. I throw it down in frustration usually 50 pages in. My high school self thought Toni Morrison was totally overrated, though perhaps my more mature self should give it another shot.

As for other people's responses, I'll match my Ani Difranco praise in the albums you love that others hate thread, with the fact that I love Jane Austen's books. Yes, my clit is pierced and I am baking cookies. I like Dickens but reading his works as complete is a little overwhelming for too little reward. Maybe they worked better in serial form.
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

I've been wanting to try some Joyce but from what I can gather he's nigh impenetrable. As for DiFranco, I actually think some of her writing is decent. But her actual "music"? Please fucking pour sulfuric acid on my eardrums first.
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
User avatar
father of lies
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 10421
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:17 pm
Location: MKE WI

I want to read Ulysses SO BAD.

It's all the RAW. It gets in there.
fvkk
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

father of lies wrote:I want to read Ulysses SO BAD.

It's all the RAW. It gets in there.
ding ding!
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
User avatar
Honky Kong 64
GOLD MEMBER
GOLD MEMBER
Posts: 10892
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:54 pm
Location: Trapped in Basedworld

Ulysses is fantastic in certain sections. Finnegan's Wake is a nigh impregnable beast though.
No Cunting Elves
right over there
Hetero as hell...
Posts: 727
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:31 pm
Location: not Thailand anymore

I think this is the first time I've seen Lermontov mentioned on a message board. Of course I could do without Hero of Our Time, but I would rather give up Anna Karenina, which was overcooked junk.

Crime and Punishment deserves classic status, although you need to essentially meditate on the emotions as you go because it is such a slow burner.

Moby Dick I have never read from start to finish. It is like a thirty-two part miniseries with lots of brooding but no momentum.

I was pretty displeased to see Rabelais is still considered classic. Any Renaissance minds read him?

Catcher in the Rye: overrated, still great.

If you are familiar at all with western civilization the Bible can be a devastating read. Scumfucker is right; when you realize how many people have lived and died in the name of a story book it gets heavy. St. Paul was a very intense writer as well. Bible study is a great tool for catching sanctimonious idiots when they overstep. Plenty of great books in there. Ecclesiastes 9? You can't beat it!
monsterod wrote:can it get any hotter or nower?
The Real MPD wrote:i'm not interested in this right now.
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

right over there wrote:Bible study is a great tool for catching sanctimonious idiots when they overstep.
Logic and reason usually work fine for me. What's the deal with Ecclesiastes 9?
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
right over there
Hetero as hell...
Posts: 727
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:31 pm
Location: not Thailand anymore

Bible thumpers do not respond to logic and reason so you have to "prove" they don't know what they are talking about with the only thing they do believe.

Ecclesiastes 9 takes me back twenty-two hundred years, to the middle of the desert, where it was becoming all too clear that sinner and saint were both just vanishing away. Reminds me of Augustine, one of my all time favorites.
monsterod wrote:can it get any hotter or nower?
The Real MPD wrote:i'm not interested in this right now.
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

right over there wrote:Bible thumpers do not respond to logic and reason so you have to "prove" they don't know what they are talking about with the only thing they do believe.
point taken. I've got my Bible contradictions bookmarked. Pissed my dad off something fierce once. "Oh, you carrying a bible with you now son?" "Yeah, let's talk dad."
Last edited by MANTIS on Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
User avatar
ImagnryWar
The Forsaken Mourning of Angelic Anguish
Posts: 411
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:14 pm

The Great Gatsby
The Catcher in the Rye

hated both in HS. tried to revisit Great Gatsby last year and couldn't do it. so bad.

Faulkner's great.
Mr. Budd

right over there wrote:I think this is the first time I've seen Lermontov mentioned on a message board. Of course I could do without Hero of Our Time, but I would rather give up Anna Karenina, which was overcooked junk.

Crime and Punishment deserves classic status, although you need to essentially meditate on the emotions as you go because it is such a slow burner.

Moby Dick I have never read from start to finish. It is like a thirty-two part miniseries with lots of brooding but no momentum.

I was pretty displeased to see Rabelais is still considered classic. Any Renaissance minds read him?

Catcher in the Rye: overrated, still great.

If you are familiar at all with western civilization the Bible can be a devastating read. Scumfucker is right; when you realize how many people have lived and died in the name of a story book it gets heavy. St. Paul was a very intense writer as well. Bible study is a great tool for catching sanctimonious idiots when they overstep. Plenty of great books in there. Ecclesiastes 9? You can't beat it!

Rabelais is god to me.
User avatar
ImagnryWar
The Forsaken Mourning of Angelic Anguish
Posts: 411
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:14 pm

the Hebrew Bible is amazing, but not if you just read it straight through. ideally, you should take a 1 semester college course to appreciate how rich and fascinating it really is. it's something that's difficult to do without guidance, but then again, what would you expect from a book that was composed and redacted over a period of several centuries?
User avatar
hadji murad
Streetcleaner
Posts: 380
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:43 am
Location: e^(x+iy)

MANTIS wrote:
hadji murad wrote: I want to read Ayn Rand to see what the fuss is about
From my understanding, the fuss is about a privileged, speed-addict bitch that convinced a generation of other privileged white people that everyone on planet earth has the same opportunities that they do and if they can't get their shit together, fuck them. I could understand this every-man-for-himself philosophy maybe if they were anarchists, but doesn't the existence of government contradict that philosophy? Regardless, anyone who uses the term "objective reality" with a straight face is capable of fucking anything.
That's what I gathered, but some folks I know whose opinions I respect seem to think she's good for something, so I didn't dismiss it offhand. Although when an author uses a novel to push his/her philosophy it starts to irritate me.

If you can't crack Ulysses, at least read Dubliners. It's not wacky like Ulysses. Finnegan's Wake was not meant for reading, the idea of it is far more interesting than the work itself.
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

hadji murad wrote:
MANTIS wrote:
hadji murad wrote: I want to read Ayn Rand to see what the fuss is about
From my understanding, the fuss is about a privileged, speed-addict bitch that convinced a generation of other privileged white people that everyone on planet earth has the same opportunities that they do and if they can't get their shit together, fuck them. I could understand this every-man-for-himself philosophy maybe if they were anarchists, but doesn't the existence of government contradict that philosophy? Regardless, anyone who uses the term "objective reality" with a straight face is capable of fucking anything.
That's what I gathered, but some folks I know whose opinions I respect seem to think she's good for something, so I didn't dismiss it offhand. Although when an author uses a novel to push his/her philosophy it starts to irritate me.

If you can't crack Ulysses, at least read Dubliners. It's not wacky like Ulysses. Finnegan's Wake was not meant for reading, the idea of it is far more interesting than the work itself.
I've heard that there are things to be gleaned from Rand's work even if you disagree but shit, I could say that about sunday morning service. Perhaps I'll give it a gander one of these days...
And despite what everyone says, I really want to try Finnegan's Wake :|
Last edited by MANTIS on Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
cw
Aidbolards vs. Avian Rabies
Posts: 4944
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:38 pm
Location: Thinking...Kids...Ghosts
Contact:

MANTIS wrote: ................Naked Lunch............... loses me in its neverending insanity.
That's kind of the point.
JOFA wrote:I didn't know that this would happen, fucker. have some sensitivity.
its called "I have a social life". maybe you should get one too
AUTOPSY_666 wrote:let me be me.
Phritz
I'm not very smart.
Posts: 6194
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:13 pm
Location: I can't even elegantly bleed.

Mr. Budd wrote:
Phritz wrote:
Mr. Budd wrote:Move that sacred cow Tolstoy over that slotted floor because he needs a gutting. Why bother with Tolstoy when you have Lermontov and Dostoyevsky? He has been rendered superfluous by his superior pre and antecedents.
no no no
i've only read "resurrection" so far, but this one was awesome. i love his view on life, christianity and asceticism. although he overdid it in "kreutzer sonata". "resurrection" is pretty much the last book he wrote, so if you only know the older ones, i recommend trying that one.

the only book that i really hated was "dr. faustus" by thomas mann. i liked the story and wanted to finish it, but that guy writes like a bored, nerdy german teacher; nobel price or not.

also the newer books of peter handke. i can only handle a certain amount of landscape description...and he crossed the line.
OK - then I'll refrain from judgement until I've read more Tolstoy. Thanks for the warning on Dr. Faustus - it's been on my to read list for a while - seems like I've made a good choice in delay.

Anyone read the Tin Drum? I've head it called the German Petersburg.

More suggestions please - I have unrestrained appreciation of your opinion.
sorry, i haven't read anything by günther grass yet. i think i saw the movie once, but this was ages ago, so i don't remember a thing. but it's one of the classics of contemporary german literature.
there's so much more to read for me between appr. 1850 and the 1st world war and i love the literature of that time so much that i'm putting off everything else.

my favourite russian weirdo right now is Nikolaj Fedorov. he was a bibliophile eremit, ascetic and philosopher, who wanted to unite all humans under a common task: to fight death and to expand the anthroposphere through the whole universe.
i have a very good biography on him and his work and thoughts by michael hagemeister, but i doubt it's or will ever be available in english. if you ever come across a biography on him, i recommend reading it. fedorov's thoughts on death are very bleak and pure and free from all religious influence, most of the rest is just awesome socialist russian megalomania.

and the other one is the autobiography of george antheil, which i already mentioned in the classical music thread. a boasting american in paris of 1920. he met all the great ones: james joice, stravinsky, ezra pound... and they all were at his feet, of course.
rīdoonrīmenbā
SOHC 1971

electronicham wrote:That fucking book my dyke teacher during my sophomore year in high school that was about that black chick getting raped all the time for not doing the dishes.
Cinderella? THAT'S A CHILDRENS' CLASSIC, ASSHOLE.
cw
Aidbolards vs. Avian Rabies
Posts: 4944
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:38 pm
Location: Thinking...Kids...Ghosts
Contact:

SOHC 1971 wrote:
electronicham wrote:That fucking book my dyke teacher during my sophomore year in high school that was about that black chick getting raped all the time for not doing the dishes.
Cinderella? THAT'S A CHILDRENS' CLASSIC, ASSHOLE.
I LOLed.
JOFA wrote:I didn't know that this would happen, fucker. have some sensitivity.
its called "I have a social life". maybe you should get one too
AUTOPSY_666 wrote:let me be me.
User avatar
51[V][V]f0C
Batshit Paranoid & Heavily Armed
Posts: 4969
Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:39 pm
Location: up his own ass, deciphering cia transmissions

Spectre Vs. Rector wrote:Neuromancer
you obviously dont understand black metal.
"I hope Obama wins and appoints Bill Ayers Secretary of Fighting Pigs."
-fatheroflies

"Yeah, I'm sure every women in Arkansas is wetting themselves at the thought of a dinner time lecture about black hellacopters and how their Applebee's sampler platter is laced with sodium pentathol."
-Deleted Account
User avatar
MANTIS
Sir Posts-A-Lot
Posts: 13251
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:33 am
Location: here. now.

51[V][V]f0C wrote:
Spectre Vs. Rector wrote:Neuromancer
you obviously dont understand black metal.
:lol:
Image

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
nick
DO THE DEW!
Posts: 1465
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:35 pm

anything written by chocolate faces
Last edited by nick on Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
nick
DO THE DEW!
Posts: 1465
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:35 pm

i don't see what the big deal about neuromancer is either. i got about 70 pages into it wondering when something was going to capture my interest before i stopped.
User avatar
Blair
O.G. Interwebber
Posts: 4838
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:01 pm

Image
Zerohero wrote:shooting cum on that hot chick that is my altar.
doubleblumpkin wrote:Guess who's riding a pig through the jungle 8)
User avatar
Scumfucker
Jesus never gave me that bike!
Posts: 4462
Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:32 pm
Location: Downtown Los Angeles

electronicham wrote:That fucking book my dyke teacher during my sophomore year in high school that was about that black chick getting raped all the time for not doing the dishes.

Sounds suspiciously like Maya Angelou. Is it "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings"?
Post Reply