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Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:32 pm
by cxwx
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boötes_void

Maybe mentioned in the thread already. Am I the only one filled with a sense of cosmic dread about these gigantic regions of space with nothing viewable in them?

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:14 pm
by Necrophilic Mallard
We ain't shit.
I've seen a few representation of this. But this is one of the better ones

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:42 pm
by ThePhillyExperiment

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:08 pm
by FVBTVS

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:37 pm
by cxwx
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-enviro ... 993523.amp



W Boson particles appear to be far more massive than previously thought.

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 10:03 am
by Necrometer


get baked and full-screen this bitch

(it's fake but who cares)

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 11:51 am
by FVBTVS


i love that stupid moon shit too. i love that people thought it was real. we're fucked i love it

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 5:28 pm
by Eight Bit Alien
I appreciate that woman but I heard her go off in favor of a hard determinist argument re: free will, and it annoyed me so much I lost sleep over it. I have to go outside and socialize more, it's getting bad.

Like that's absolutely what she's supposed to say, and it's what everyone who's smarter than me says too, but I had all these arguments and cool facts/logic to wreck with, and I was impotently mumbling to myself in the shower because these aren't actually my friends and they don't know who I am.

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 5:26 am
by THE KILL
I teach philosophy (at a high school level, feel free to make fun of me), but I know enough about all the fields of natural sciences that are revelant to the question of free will. Things do, indeed, look bleak on all fronts, and to make matters worse, from a philosophical perspective it isn't even entirely clear what free will is supposed to be.
Sabine Hossenfelder is great (love her strange German accent!), but I think I saw the video you were talking about, and while she is an excellent science communicator, I was surprised and annoyed to hear her state that the fact that we don't subjectively experience a lack of free will (which we have to assume is objectively true) means that it doesn't matter to us.

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 7:43 am
by Eight Bit Alien
Ive heard lots of different people say the same thing in different ways and its dumb

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 12:39 pm
by Necrometer
like THE KILL, I also love SH. for me, it's because she's on board for superdeterminism, which is the shit (it drives me insane that physicists talk about many-worlds stuff like it's worth attention... s.d. is where it's at)

re: free will, her saying "it doesn't matter" doesn't bother me at all. I don't try to convince people there's no free will at this point. just like I don't try and convince anyone there's no god. you probably have a happier life believing in those things (LOL about thinking you have free will AND that there's an omnipotent god though, am I right!?!)

regarding her stance that you can know there's no free will, and decide not to care... it's sort of like the line between atheism and agnosticism. it's getting into semantics territory, right?
THE KILL wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:26 amfrom a philosophical perspective it isn't even entirely clear what free will is supposed to be
I see it as the the idea that you can chance the course of the universe based on something that can happen inside your brain, and that "something" is at least partially divorced (or untethered) from the stuff that happened earlier. this can probably only make sense in a dualistic scenario, where somehow there's a one-way flow of causality from mind to matter... can't even begin to imagine how this would make sense scientifically. it's ONLY interesting as a philosophical concept, and there's no way it can be backed up scientifically IMO

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:56 pm
by Necrometer
y'all see any good galaxies lately?

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:14 am
by FVBTVS
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loogit this sucker :drooly:

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:20 am
by FVBTVS
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Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:21 am
by FVBTVS
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Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:21 am
by FVBTVS
ok this is too many galaxies imo

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:04 am
by FVBTVS
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Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:32 pm
by FVBTVS


this might some 'i fucking love science' level bullshit but it still owns

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:33 pm
by FVBTVS
WOW BRO WOW :lol:

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:36 am
by Necrophilic Mallard
A young physicist on acid discovers nondualism.
https://www.vesselproject.io/life-throu ... -annealing

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:06 am
by Necrometer
FVBTVS wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:33 pmWOW BRO WOW :lol:
got to my first BRO and it was very satisfying

you know I had to look up those bollywood aliens the gal was talking about


...

here's some backyard footage (like 48 h) from some r____t guy - totally insane to just see a planet spinning!



edit: here's a better one

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:00 pm
by FVBTVS
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... proved-it/

The Universe Is Not Locally Real, and the Physics Nobel Prize Winners Proved It

Elegant experiments with entangled light have laid bare a profound mystery at the heart of reality

:warrior:

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:26 am
by FVBTVS
William Shatner: My Trip to Space Filled Me With ‘Overwhelming Sadness’

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/willia ... 235395113/
So, I went to space.

Our group, consisting of me, tech mogul Glen de Vries, Blue Origin Vice President and former NASA International Space Station flight controller Audrey Powers, and former NASA engineer Dr. Chris Boshuizen, had done various simulations and training courses to prepare, but you can only prepare so much for a trip out of Earth’s atmosphere! As if sensing that feeling in our group, the ground crew kept reassuring us along the way. “Everything’s going to be fine. Don’t worry about anything. It’s all okay.” Sure, easy for them to say, I thought. They get to stay here on the ground.

During our preparation, we had gone up eleven flights of the gantry to see what it would be like when the rocket was there. We were then escorted to a thick cement room with oxygen tanks. “What’s this room for?” I asked casually.

“Oh, you guys will rush in here if the rocket explodes,” a Blue Origin fellow responded just as casually.

Uh-huh. A safe room. Eleven stories up. In case the rocket explodes.

Well, at least they’ve thought of it.

When the day finally arrived, I couldn’t get the Hindenburg out of my head. Not enough to cancel, of course—I hold myself to be a professional, and I was booked. The show had to go on.

We got ourselves situated inside the pod. You have to strap yourself in in a specific order. In the simulator, I didn’t nail it every time, so as I sat there, waiting to take off, the importance of navigating weightlessness to get back and strap into the seat correctly was at the forefront of my mind.

That, and the Hindenburg crash.

Then there was a delay.

“Sorry, folks, there’s a slight anomaly in the engine. It’ll just be a few moments.”

An anomaly in the engine?! That sounds kinda serious, doesn’t it?

An anomaly is something that does not belong. What is currently in the engine that doesn’t belong there?!

More importantly, why would they tell us that? There is a time for unvarnished honesty. I get that. This wasn’t it.

Apparently, the anomaly wasn’t too concerning, because thirty seconds later, we were cleared for launch and the countdown began. With all the attending noise, fire, and fury, we lifted off. I could see Earth disappearing. As we ascended, I was at once aware of pressure. Gravitational forces pulling at me. The g’s. There was an instrument that told us how many g’s we were experiencing. At two g’s, I tried to raise my arm, and could barely do so. At three g’s, I felt my face being pushed down into my seat. I don’t know how much more of this I can take, I thought. Will I pass out? Will my face melt into a pile of mush? How many g’s can my ninety-year-old body handle?

And then, suddenly, relief. No g’s. Zero. Weightlessness. We were floating.

We got out of our harnesses and began to float around. The other folks went straight into somersaults and enjoying all the effects of weightlessness. I wanted no part in that. I wanted, needed to get to the window as quickly as possible to see what was out there.

I looked down and I could see the hole that our spaceship had punched in the thin, blue-tinged layer of oxygen around Earth. It was as if there was a wake trailing behind where we had just been, and just as soon as I’d noticed it, it disappeared.

I continued my self-guided tour and turned my head to face the other direction, to stare into space. I love the mystery of the universe. I love all the questions that have come to us over thousands of years of exploration and hypotheses. Stars exploding years ago, their light traveling to us years later; black holes absorbing energy; satellites showing us entire galaxies in areas thought to be devoid of matter entirely… all of that has thrilled me for years… but when I looked in the opposite direction, into space, there was no mystery, no majestic awe to behold . . . all I saw was death.

I saw a cold, dark, black emptiness. It was unlike any blackness you can see or feel on Earth. It was deep, enveloping, all-encompassing. I turned back toward the light of home. I could see the curvature of Earth, the beige of the desert, the white of the clouds and the blue of the sky. It was life. Nurturing, sustaining, life. Mother Earth. Gaia. And I was leaving her.

Everything I had thought was wrong. Everything I had expected to see was wrong.

I had thought that going into space would be the ultimate catharsis of that connection I had been looking for between all living things—that being up there would be the next beautiful step to understanding the harmony of the universe. In the film “Contact,” when Jodie Foster’s character goes to space and looks out into the heavens, she lets out an astonished whisper, “They should’ve sent a poet.” I had a different experience, because I discovered that the beauty isn’t out there, it’s down here, with all of us. Leaving that behind made my connection to our tiny planet even more profound.

It was among the strongest feelings of grief I have ever encountered. The contrast between the vicious coldness of space and the warm nurturing of Earth below filled me with overwhelming sadness. Every day, we are confronted with the knowledge of further destruction of Earth at our hands: the extinction of animal species, of flora and fauna . . . things that took five billion years to evolve, and suddenly we will never see them again because of the interference of mankind. It filled me with dread. My trip to space was supposed to be a celebration; instead, it felt like a funeral.

I learned later that I was not alone in this feeling. It is called the “Overview Effect” and is not uncommon among astronauts, including Yuri Gagarin, Michael Collins, Sally Ride, and many others. Essentially, when someone travels to space and views Earth from orbit, a sense of the planet’s fragility takes hold in an ineffable, instinctive manner. Author Frank White first coined the term in 1987: “There are no borders or boundaries on our planet except those that we create in our minds or through human behaviors. All the ideas and concepts that divide us when we are on the surface begin to fade from orbit and the moon. The result is a shift in worldview, and in identity.”

It can change the way we look at the planet but also other things like countries, ethnicities, religions; it can prompt an instant reevaluation of our shared harmony and a shift in focus to all the wonderful things we have in common instead of what makes us different. It reinforced tenfold my own view on the power of our beautiful, mysterious collective human entanglement, and eventually, it returned a feeling of hope to my heart. In this insignificance we share, we have one gift that other species perhaps do not: we are aware—not only of our insignificance, but the grandeur around us that makes us insignificant. That allows us perhaps a chance to rededicate ourselves to our planet, to each other, to life and love all around us. If we seize that chance.
:fonz:

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:27 am
by Necrophilic Mallard
I got cabin fever after driving around Ohau in a few hours... I felt trapped on a tiny island in the middle of a massive ocean.
Can't even imagine what this would feel like.

Also, humanity is fucked.

Re: Black holes might be intelligent

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:42 pm
by FVBTVS
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