FVBTVS wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:53 pm
romulus might be sort of unnecessary
So, like everything after Alien 3.
But yeah, it looks basically like a reasonably well-executed remake. I've watched the trailer once or twice and keep thinking, this looks like someone's just doing a generic Alien movie for no reason, but also... I kinda want to see it.
storm shadow wrote:This is what happens when people use the internet to get through adolescence, instead of drugs and heavy metal.
yeah that director is no slouch as far as I've seen
it'll probably be good!
still kinda in prequel territory where you know the humans will largely win and the hierarchy of power in the universe isn't really going to change
i don't think this is merely a nitpick - part of the horror in these movies is the capacity for the threat to spread exponentially and wipe out life as we know it (and we see a glimpse of this in Aliens - the colony ghost town). in the first 4 movies that's a credible possibility, but it's absent from the AVP movies (prequels), prometheus, covenant, and romulus
don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for avengers style "gotta save the world" stakes... it's just a lurking implication that probably gets us a bit more invested on some level
good thing I'll be dead soon, cause I'm tired of liars winning
Necrometer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:09 pm
don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for avengers style "gotta save the world" stakes... it's just a lurking implication that probably gets us a bit more invested on some level
The problem with this is that the initial Alien movies were always a lot more about personal themes and about individuals, and that's why the trilogy concludes with Ridley killing herself before she can give birth to a xenomorph. There's never been any potential for a cohesive franchise here that has anything intelligent to say beyond "cool monsters, ratatatatatat, space marines GAME OVER MAN", and if you want to watch anything past Alien 3, you really need to be ok with that. The xenomorph is my favorite movie monster of all time, but if this is going to be a franchise, it's going to be basically like Godzilla where there are just lots of iterations of essentially the same story without too much logic attached to it.
storm shadow wrote:This is what happens when people use the internet to get through adolescence, instead of drugs and heavy metal.
I think the real problem is the perpetual re-telling of the greedy company trying to exploit the monster and endangering everyone in the process. I have absolutely no problem with that story, but it seems to be where the movies have stumbled imho (at least to someone who's seen them do it over and over). You can just let people stumble over the creatures, or encounter them with foreknowledge for some other reason...
the trailer looks fucking great, but I'm not expecting much based on 40 years of disappointment
livid dealer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:31 amDIO NEVER JUMPED ON WHAT WAS POPULAR (THE PROVERBIAL BANDWAGON)
yeah its crazy which things these producers decide are the most important elements of the property and what isnt. i think of the way the last couple terminators cant help but lightly riff on nearly the exact same scenes the same plot lines the same tones the same shit over and over
I was absolutely thinking about Terminator when I was writing that, but I am usually thinking about Terminator.
I always think if they just told a regular humans vs robot story they could kill it - move the camera away from John's family and see what else is going on. It could just be people dealing with the first wave of infiltrators
livid dealer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:31 amDIO NEVER JUMPED ON WHAT WAS POPULAR (THE PROVERBIAL BANDWAGON)
The Bill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:52 am
Why isn’t there Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator vs Robocop?
I actually googled this because I was curious who owned Robocop and Terminator - obivously the answer to your question is "because Disney hasn't bought them yet," but Robocop, as it turns out, is owned by Amazon, so it'll probably never happen because by the time the Amazon/Disney merger happens, we'll be racing across the wasteland fighting over vials of the medication that stops your bodies from rejecting the implants.
storm shadow wrote:This is what happens when people use the internet to get through adolescence, instead of drugs and heavy metal.
I know it was bound to always be bullshit because Alien vs Predator just sounds like goofball nonsense dreamed up to be nothing more than an imaginary movie advertised on a marquee that a character walks past in an 80's movie, but it really had potential if they mined the actual thematic riches within the two.
Both deal with psychosexual anxieties and the ruin of masculinity. Alien being about male rap and overturning motherhood into something vile, Predator about the most blatant hyper masculinity being hunted down and torn to shreds by a feminized funhouse mirror version of themselves.
I'm not saying Alien Vs Predator should've or even could've been some deep Cronenbergian masterpiece, but I feel we could've gotten a more solid pulp nightmare than we did.
P.S. new movie looks dumb as fuck. Trailer looks like a VR game advertisement. Just the first two for me forever.
Eight Bit Alien wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:37 pm
I always think if they just told a regular humans vs robot story they could kill it
Well, they tried that with Salvation, and look how that turned out.
ive probably brought this up before but the introduction of the skinless t-800 in that movie is short but its one of the most effective in all the movies at communicating what terrifying ruthless assholes they are. great phsyical shot w cool sound
Everybody always says its the good sequel but personifying Skynet with fucking helena bonham carter was a RETARDED idea. Like the rest of it is generally pretty cool b movie shit, it's a bit slow but enjoyable.
I just can't stand this weird move... they did it with star trek too, the borg are way less terrifying or interesting as soon as you say "oh btw theres a borg QUEEN, and she has normal personhood and villain motives."
It turns the artificial alien intelligence into just some bitch you argue with
The weirdest thing to me was changing the design of the future. The sci fi war scenes from t1/2 are absolutely iconic, and the art direction is already ideal. I understand you have to do something a little different when the sun comes out, but most of what you see in Salvation was kinda unrecognizable as skynet... like fighting evil motocycles. I definitely dont want to be fed memberberries and i dont expect to... but its similar to the complaints about the SW prequels departing dramatically from the "old future" aesthetic of the OT.
You already had what would've worked
SW nerds were insufferable during the 2000s, absolute fucking babies, but i guess i know now why u cry
livid dealer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:31 amDIO NEVER JUMPED ON WHAT WAS POPULAR (THE PROVERBIAL BANDWAGON)
I'm definitely watching that, but at first glance the face animation gave me heebie jeebies. maybe that's a good thing. a new dimention of body horror...
anyway. great discussion guys
turns out... when these movies work, they work on more than one level
i'd give prey a "fucking awesome" but that final showdown tipped too far into silliness. the gatekeepers are kinda right about that part it would probably work great it I watched it while super high or whatever
good thing I'll be dead soon, cause I'm tired of liars winning
Really well put together visually, but also proof of exactly what we've been talking about - the best anyone can come up with is taking the same tropes that haven't changed in 40 years and tossing them together in a reasonably proficient way.
That's also why the plot pivots to "crash the ship into the asteroid" within a few minutes. It really doesn't make any sense for her to give up that quickly, but the audience knows she has to prevent the eggs from being found and another LV-426 happening, so it's totally acceptable that this character who has only known about xenomorphs for five minutes decides to commit suicide to prevent their spread.
Honestly, I just wish we'd finally get a good FPS game with pulse rifles and flamethrowers.
storm shadow wrote:This is what happens when people use the internet to get through adolescence, instead of drugs and heavy metal.
joyless escapades of thoughtless mimicry offered as tributes to eidolons from shit for brains who don't even know their very being is one of falsehood.
i mean yeah as an actor go ahead and do all your research or prep or whatever you think it involves by watching all the movies and spin offs and read the graphic novels. play through alien 3 on snes or alien isolation, the aliens arcade game..
as a director its completely insane and just useless idolatry to think an actor not having seen the first movie is going to effect what youre trying to do. i guarantee that theres already going to be massive problems with the script theyre shooting thatll make it into the actual movie which is way worse than anything some young actor is contributing
romulus might be great who knows. only thing ive seen from alvarez was the texas chainsaw abortion. but like id bet if you could somehow pool all the living directors of straight romantic comedies and even just basic dramas from the last 20 years you could find at least one person who was literally born to do the next masterpiece entry of one of these big property horror sci fi things. that same logic applies to actors imo
it would probably work great it I watched it while super high or whatever
