Consumption Be Done About These New Star Wars Movies ?!?!

[Whee of the Dead]

goddamn how the fuck do you guys get something as simple as Star Wars wrong

RotJ is the bad one. It's where Star Wars went from a great colorful space fantasy for intelligent twelve year olds to mindless fodder for funko pop collectors. It's the one that every SW flick afterwards takes its influence from and why it's all garbage now.

It's got shit direction, flat cinematography, under developed script, it relies on the series own pop culture status to do the all the heavy lifting in terms of tone and emotional weight. The whole thing feels like a desperate rush to finish things up so everyone can go on with their lives before this Star Wars thing hijacked everything. The iconoclasts were gone and journeymen were manning the ship. All the majesty was gone.

I know it would've been impossible to stick the landing for the ending of a massive pop culture megastar and you're going to look like a string bean when standing next to something as fucking muscular as Empire but goddamn a little bit of effort please

(I still like RotJ a little bit)

[Eight Bit Alien]

Never change buddy

[Toilet Fleet]

Original was the best one-stop movie experience, Empire was the best in terms of cinemaaauuuugggghhh and the rest can kind of eat my ass if I'm being honest

Actually I'm a firm believe that Rogue One is good to excellent and I'll die on that hill

[godofdeadlydeath]

Rogue One was awesome. Chirrut Imwe ruled. I don't care enough to watch Andor or any of the TV shows but having one dude who kind of worshipped The Force even though he wasn't a Jedi and maybe also couldn't harness it completely was really interesting. And The Last Jedi seemed to be heading in that direction as far as "anyone can use The Force if they believe" but then JJ was like "Nah LOL you gotta be Palpatine's granddaughter to do that shit"

[The Bill]

Gay! Only Dark Forces is real. Rouge One is typic Disney nonsense.

[spacehamster]

I had a pretty high opinion of Rogue One when it originally came out and I still like it, but I watched it again a while ago because I really, really liked Andor, and it just seemed kind of silly by comparison. Plus you can tell it had to be reworked because the money bags didn't like it, most of all when there's a spaceship battle at the end for absolutely no reason. It all just smacks of writing by committee. Okay movie, but could've been better.

Anyway, I just realized it's been well over a decade since I last watched the original trilogy, and before that I hadn't seen them since the special editions came out. My assessment at the time was basically that ANH is silly and kind of bad, Empire is an actual good movie, and ROTJ has the extremely well executed conclusion of Darth Vader's redemption arc, but it's intercut with goofy theme park stuff from Endor that takes up half the movie.

In conclusion, I'm kinda glad I never really cared about Star Wars as much as you'd think I would. I like the spaceships and the music, but that's about it. Oh, and Andor. I really like Andor.

[Whee of the Dead]

Gay! Only Dark Forces is real. Rouge One is typic Disney nonsense.

Also anyone else annoyed at just how fucking soi boi the rebellion is in the disney tripe?

in the originals they were a gruff pragmatic terrorist group and in this shit they are these fucking bright eyed libs spouting inane and hollow platitudes.

god what a fucking dump.

[godofdeadlydeath]

I just remembered they brought Lando back for TROS and he basically didn't do shit, and they hinted that he might be that other new chick's father? But that was it?

[cxwx]

Rogue One was awesome. Chirrut Imwe ruled. I don't care enough to watch Andor or any of the TV shows but having one dude who kind of worshipped The Force even though he wasn't a Jedi and maybe also couldn't harness it completely was really interesting. And The Last Jedi seemed to be heading in that direction as far as "anyone can use The Force if they believe" but then JJ was like "Nah LOL you gotta be Palpatine's granddaughter to do that shit"

Andor was good and I couldn't give a shit less about Star Wars beyond the original three films. Although I only watched it as I had a free trial of Disney +.

[The Bill]

Andor is very good, actually . Just didn’t have to be Star Wars.

[spacehamster]

Andor is very good, actually . Just didn’t have to be Star Wars.

Sure, but Star Wars is always at its best when there's no Jedi and no Force and no lightsabers.

[Eight Bit Alien]

Nobody ask what that means

[FVBTVS]

It means hes expressing an opinion and hes neither wrong or right. If star wars is now firmly in a kind of endless self referntial feedback loop and draws more from the fart smelling gravity well of its extended lore riffing and random improvisations from hack writers then yeah, theyre not inspired by mythic structure or samurai movies anymore. John le carre or grounded poltical intrique stories are much more compelling and fresh with the star wars paint on it. Which rogue one and especially andor are proof of

[spacehamster]

Or a spaghetti western in space, like the Mandalorian. Remember when that came out and everyone thought maybe Star Wars was good again now?

I think Ahsoka actually had some kernels of interesting ideas as to what you could do with the Jedi/Sith/Force stuff and not have it be the umpteenth retread of the same old tropes, but of course that also fell flat on its face. I just always like the stuff best that revolves more around how more mundane characters function in this setting. That's been in there ever since Han Solo, and it's almost always more interesting or at least more entertaining.

[FVBTVS]

I think Ahsoka actually

this is the last time i ever try to help anyone in this thread

[Toilet Fleet]

No more laser swords until we figure out what's going on

[The Bill]

I think Ahsoka actually

this is the last time i ever try to help anyone in this thread

What has Disney done to us? Nooooo!!!

[Hunter]

THE STAR WARS STORYBOARDS WERE BETTER THAN ALL THIS BULLSHIT

[Whee of the Dead]

i think the main problem is that Star Wars was originally made by a guy who watched Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon bullshit and grew up to find and enjoy Ford, Kurosawa, and Leone and used the latter to elevate the former while still never betraying the former's pulp fantasy serial adolescent magic

nu Star Wars is made by people who watched Star Wars as kids and grew into adults who watch Star Wars and the shit Star Wars spawned. They have no connection with the roots, they don't understand what makes any of the gears turn. Not to mention modern filming techniques and aesthetics don't suit what made the originals special at all.

That's one of the reasons shit like The Mandalorian sucks dick. It's just toned down spaghetti western aesthetics with a toy commercial era Star Wars veneer thrown on it. A homage to two things while simultaneously misunderstanding either.

p.s. Rogue one sucks. Stop defending it.

[Hunter]

George Lucas sucks as a director though. If it weren't for Marcia, he wouldn't have much of a career.

[Whee of the Dead]

George Lucas sucks as a director though. If it weren't for Marcia, he wouldn't have much of a career.

Lucas was a fine director in the seventies. While I agree with the story that A New Hope was saved in editing, you can't make a totally awful movie great in the editing room alone. His clunky style and classic Hollywood influence helps set the tone of the first Star Wars and the direct follow ups pretty sufficiently.

Richard Marquand's direction in RotJ is much more unwieldy but has the benefit of everyone already being wrapped in the story and excitement to notice.

Empire is the only one in the entire saga that's truly well directed IMO.

[Hunter]

George Lucas sucks as a director though. If it weren't for Marcia, he wouldn't have much of a career.

Lucas was a fine director in the seventies. While I agree with the story that A New Hope was saved in editing, you can't make a totally awful movie great in the editing room alone. His clunky style and classic Hollywood influence helps set the tone of the first Star Wars and the direct follow ups pretty sufficiently.

Richard Marquand's direction in RotJ is much more unwieldy but has the benefit of everyone already being wrapped in the story and excitement to notice.

Empire is the only one in the entire saga that's truly well directed IMO.

Lucas was fortunate to have really talented friends in the 70s. THX 1138 and American Graffiti were produced by Coppola/American Zoetrope which benefited those productions a ton. A New Hope was great despite his poor directing, not because of it.

[Toilet Fleet]

p.s. Rogue one sucks. Stop defending it.

No I will continue to enjoy the movie thank you

[spacehamster]

nu Star Wars is made by people who watched Star Wars as kids and grew into adults who watch Star Wars and the shit Star Wars spawned. They have no connection with the roots, they don't understand what makes any of the gears turn.

I agree with this much - I've been saying for a while now that the problem with the Disney stuff is basically that it's movies and shows that are about being Star Wars. Probably unavoidable, though, the original SW may have worked because it was a genre mashup, but its cultural impact is/was as a new aesthetic itself, and so it's difficult to repeat what actually made those movies good.

The complaints about "modern filming techniques" you can go ahead and flush, though. CGI and digital cameras don't "ruin" anything, most people are just inept at using them. The way the original Star Wars was made was absolute peak FX technology at the time, and people now pining for those good old days is just ridiculous. If you could have done this shit with a computer in 1977, they would have done exactly that.

[THE KILL]

i think the main problem is that Star Wars was originally made by a guy who watched Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon bullshit and grew up to find and enjoy Ford, Kurosawa, and Leone and used the latter to elevate the former while still never betraying the former's pulp fantasy serial adolescent magic

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That's one of the reasons shit like The Mandalorian sucks dick. It's just toned down spaghetti western aesthetics with a toy commercial era Star Wars veneer thrown on it. A homage to two things while simultaneously misunderstanding either.

Please explain to us how George Lucas "understood" Westerns and Chanbaras/ how these genres worked and how the people who made Mandalorian don't.


Besides, the amount of edgelording in this thread and on this board in general is astounding and embarrassing; ya people act as if Star Wars was some lucky accident (not episodes 4 and 6 though, no, they're not good movies ) and Lucas, who, of course, is a terrible director, played almost no role in the conception of these films.