am I a bad hippie pacifist if I pay money to see the oppenheimer moviemove

[Brutus Frank]

Hahaha. He definitely admitted to being on the dole which i thought was weirdly honest for him

I don't know if it's that weird considering a lot of right wingers claim they are just "stealing their taxes back" but he also claimed to be in support of a heavy regulatory state and social safety net as long as it was within the frame work of being extremely nativist and for true white Americans or whatever. I really don't want to waste to many brain cells trying to recall the form of government he claimed to support.

Sounds like some sort of socialism that's predicated on nationalism of the racial variety. Like specifically the type of Strasserism/Yockeyism that the "Read Siege"/James Mason types advocate.

[cxwx]

I remember seeing part of a documentary on a recent diving expedition where a pretty huge drum filled with heavy water was found that the Germans had manufactured during WWII. Apparently they were far closer to developing their own atomic bomb than was ever realized or publicly disclosed before.

[Brutus Frank]

I remember seeing part of a documentary on a recent diving expedition where a pretty huge drum filled with heavy water was found that the Germans had manufactured during WWII. Apparently they were far closer to developing their own atomic bomb than was ever realized or publicly disclosed before.

There's a few documents that seem to indicate they had already developed an atomic device and were attempting to develop it as the detonator for a thermonuclear device. Same indicates that they used something akin to atomic shells against the Russians in at least one battle but ended up with most of them just resulting in atomic fizzles. I read about both first in Joseph Farrell's Reich of the Black Sun, eventually found the docs he referenced online.

They also warehoused a shit-ton of Thorium.

and seemed to have figured out how to enrich uranium with a gas-focused laser, if you believe him.

I didn't really believe much of what he had to say when I first read it in 2011 or so, nowadays it all seems a lot more likely.

https://discover.hubpages.com/education ... f-Oct-1944

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ended.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4348497.stm

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/soci ... ntents.htm

[Eight Bit Alien]

RED MERCURY

[THE KILL]

The relationship at that time between the general Japanese population, the Emperor, and the Shinto religion is absolutely fascinating. I wish people knew more about it. I think it led to the most tragic transition into modernity for any stable "developed" nation.

How so? After being beaten in WW2, Japan had a peace constitution pushed on them - which, by not allowing it to build up much of a military again, enabled it to invest incredible amounts of money into its economy, which, in turn, made the Japanese some of the richest fuckers on the planet. I don't know when the Japanese became such ardent fans of their constitution, but nowadays they certainly are; despite the LDP, which has been the reigning party in Japan almost uninterruptedly since WW2, pushing for rearmament basically since the end of WW2, Japanese public opinion wouldn't allow it, despite many Japanese being not very interested in politics at all. What exactly do you mean by "tragic"? Things went very well after WW2 for Japan from my perspective. I'd also be interested in what exactly you find so fascinating about Shinto's relationship to the Emperor and the Japanese population - just curious here.

[Necrometer]

james I can't wait to dig in on your mega-post from the prior page

I really REALLY hope you guys all watched that truman video

it's so fucking insane that he just sits around trying to figure out how to deliver this joke... on camera... in real time

he has no plan

he doesn't even have a plan for a plan

he just seems to think that if he keeps trying it again and again - without THINKING ABOUT IT CAREFULLY - that the joke will just congeal on the next take

it's SO fucking weird

"Einstein has his sticks & stones quip... now it's my turn"

the 10,000 hours method but it's just 10,000 hours of telling the same jokey anecdote on a loop

[spacehamster]

I'll finally say this - we've had ~70 years of KGB-provoked anti-imperialist revisionist history pouring out of every academic institution in the country. In the same way we successfully undermined Soviet society, they hoped to undermine ours - and that situation produced every criticism of our civilization and its moral roots that you could ever hope to read.
Although I'm no expert I don't think I've ever heard anyone make your proposal. Not saying you couldn't be a pioneer.

Cultural Marxism!!

Jesus, dude.

Anyway, I just went through this thread because of something else that reminded me of its existence, but I would first like to say that it is, in fact, possible, for both Japan and the US to have done Bad Things during WW2, and for both to be racially motivated. These two things can be true simultaneously. You don't have to pick a side.

What I actually came here to say is that Christopher Nolan is apparently all-in on supporting the Hollywood strike, and that doesn't really gel with him being a fascist. So I guess that's interesting.

[THE KILL]

I don't know if it's that weird considering a lot of right wingers claim they are just "stealing their taxes back" but he also claimed to be in support of a heavy regulatory state and social safety net as long as it was within the frame work of being extremely nativist and for true white Americans or whatever. I really don't want to waste to many brain cells trying to recall the form of government he claimed to support.

Sounds like some sort of socialism that's predicated on nationalism of the racial variety.

That's not what is generally called socialism, and establishing "a heavy regulatory state and social safety net" is certainly not what the Nazis did. Socialism and nazism or, in general, right wing extremism are incompatible, completely different (groups of) ideologies.

[Brutus Frank]

I don't know if it's that weird considering a lot of right wingers claim they are just "stealing their taxes back" but he also claimed to be in support of a heavy regulatory state and social safety net as long as it was within the frame work of being extremely nativist and for true white Americans or whatever. I really don't want to waste to many brain cells trying to recall the form of government he claimed to support.

Sounds like some sort of socialism that's predicated on nationalism of the racial variety.

That's not what is generally called socialism, and establishing "a heavy regulatory state and social safety net" is certainly not what the Nazis did. Socialism and nazism or, in general, right wing extremism are incompatible, completely different (groups of) ideologies.

Yeah, I'm not talking about the 40s, I'm talking about their crackpot theories originating from the 50s along the lines of Francis Parker Yockeys Imperium which, along with James Masons Siege calling for getting on the dole now to bleed the state, and a pivot to a white nationalist state that embraces socialism so that it can create a white star-trek meets Dune future where Nazis finally use their UFO tech to explore space.

I desperately wish I was making that up. Yockey found Soviet Communism to be a better fit for ytfolx than capitalism (he felt that capitalism was more SPIRITUALLY destructive than communism) and by the end of the 80s his followers had discovered a bizarre form of Posadism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Parker_Yockey

So once again, I'm not talking about hitlerites, I'm talking about postwar American spenglerites/strasserites who happen to currently dominate the ideological outlook of modern US organized extremists who get called Nazis because of, ya know, all the swastikas and race hate and the 21st century body count.

Not just Atomwaffen and Order of 9 Angles,, but also these types of people:

https://m.youtube.com/@DEATHFETISH

[Eight Bit Alien]

I'll finally say this - we've had ~70 years of KGB-provoked anti-imperialist revisionist history pouring out of every academic institution in the country. In the same way we successfully undermined Soviet society, they hoped to undermine ours - and that situation produced every criticism of our civilization and its moral roots that you could ever hope to read.
Although I'm no expert I don't think I've ever heard anyone make your proposal. Not saying you couldn't be a pioneer.

Cultural Marxism!!

Jesus, dude.

This is an absolute fact of world history and it's probably the main reason why intelligence agencies inside the US operate the way they do today. This is everything from MLK's assasination to January 6th.

If you dont understand this then you aren't really prepared to participate in the conversation. This had a huge impact on the civil rights movement in the US, which in turn had a significant impact on social movements in Europe and elsewhere around the world. A lot of the things that you personally believe are reactions to this conflict. Ideas have a genealogy.

Nothing I'm saying here has anything to do with Jordan Peterson or any other youtuber that you're upset with.

[Brutus Frank]

I'll finally say this - we've had ~70 years of KGB-provoked anti-imperialist revisionist history pouring out of every academic institution in the country. In the same way we successfully undermined Soviet society, they hoped to undermine ours - and that situation produced every criticism of our civilization and its moral roots that you could ever hope to read.
Although I'm no expert I don't think I've ever heard anyone make your proposal. Not saying you couldn't be a pioneer.

Cultural Marxism!!

Jesus, dude.

This is an absolute fact of world history and it's probably the main reason why intelligence agencies inside the US operate the way they do today. This is everything from MLK's assasination to January 6th.

If you dont understand this then you aren't really prepared to participate in the conversation. This had a huge impact on the civil rights movement in the US, which in turn had a significant impact on social movements in Europe and elsewhere around the world. A lot of the things that you personally believe are reactions to this conflict. Ideas have a genealogy.

Nothing I'm saying here has anything to do with Jordan Peterson or any other youtuber that you're upset with.

[Eight Bit Alien]

These two things can be true simultaneously. You don't have to pick a side.

[featherboa]

what are soem examples of things the russians tricked me into?

[Eight Bit Alien]

OPENING THIS THREAD!!!!!!

[spacehamster]

what are soem examples of things the russians tricked me into?

Apparently the whole notion that western imperialism was bad is just a commie mind virus. Them dirty Africoons should be thanking us for civilizing them, duh.

[Eight Bit Alien]

That's obviously not what I said.

[featherboa]

i'm not trying to do a gotcha. i just don't know exactly what you mean.

[spacehamster]

That's obviously not what I said.

I'll finally say this - we've had ~70 years of KGB-provoked anti-imperialist revisionist history pouring out of every academic institution in the country. In the same way we successfully undermined Soviet society, they hoped to undermine ours - and that situation produced every criticism of our civilization and its moral roots that you could ever hope to read.

I'm sorry, what language is this post in? I'm pretty sure it's English, which is a language I speak reasonably well. I got C2 on the IELTS test, you know.

[cxwx]

Without starting another argument and I think the main points have already been expressed by Hunter and Hamster better than I can, maybe if EBA can be more specific on what leftist ideas he DOESN'T agree with. And I mean just concepts in general and without saying "I don't think an idea had to left or right to be good or bad" just what is generally accepted as a basic left wing ideal. And also not delving into party politics and the lesser is two evils debate which is a whole other separate thing.

[Brutus Frank]

maybe if EBA can be more specific on what leftist ideas he DOESN'T agree with.

[Brutus Frank]

That's obviously not what I said.

But it's obviously what they wish they were arguing against.

This entire subject is a series of thought terminating cliches for everyone here who isn't you, apparently.

[spacehamster]

That's obviously not what I said.

But it's obviously what they wish they were arguing against.

This entire subject is a series of thought terminating cliches for everyone here who isn't you, apparently.

You guys are such weasels, it's really kind of adorable.

thats not what i sed but i wnot tell u what i acshuly sed but it wasnt that so i win lulz derrderr

[featherboa]

> If you dont understand this then you aren't really prepared to participate in the conversation.

Is there a book or something I can read?

[cxwx]

> If you dont understand this then you aren't really prepared to participate in the conversation.

Is there a book or something I can read?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_ ... ising_Down

[cxwx]

EBA was referring to the USSR use of propaganda in the 1970's where they look legitimate criticism of the United States and imperialism in general to gloss over their own forms of oppression which is the same thing they have been doing for decades "how can you possibly criticize us for gulags when look what you've done to the negros and Indians"
I've argued relentless with him but I understood his particular point and found it valid. At least I believe that is what he was trying to say